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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago

Way too low, we would be swallowed up whole by fascists if people don't wake up.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

We've got a third of Canadians believing the US may invade Canada and most Canadians view the US as the single greatest threat to our sovereignty, and yet we somehow keep making moves that integrate us more with US security strategy. We are doing nothing to cut them out or to harden our southern border, but we get legislation that aligns us more with the NSA on information security, we get military spending focused on their demands for Arctic security thousands of kilometers away from where all our population is clustered right next to the border with them, we get cybersecurity integration with Microsoft in Ottawa and commitment to use of their AI in our public services...

Despite the rhetoric of independence and the actual economic diversification, it looks like we're still on the same team when it comes to security. There is a huge gap between public perceptions of threat and what's actually being done at a policy level.

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[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Only a 3rd, are the rest of us sleeping through this shit?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Conservatives are cheering it on and itching to sell the country out.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Non-voters and the usual 3rd who would've sold us out to Trump.

Does anyone seriously think the cons will never win an election here again before our latest nazi trend burns out?

Edit: ah i see, heads buried in sand.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Non-voters and the usual 3rd who would've sold us out to Trump.

The same portion of the US public that allowed him to get elected in the first place. And to get re-elected.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

All I'm saying is it's a similar situation here and Carney could be our limp dick Biden.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Trump doing things is actually what gives me hope. If the trade war hadn't happened we'd be following the US trajectory exactly, and PP would currently be PM. As it is, Doug Ford is kind of repeating what Churchill did way back when, starting fascist-aligned and then moving off, and might be the next Conservative to actually win.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 20 points 2 months ago

With good cause. I have not been able to prevent my country from taking over venezuela. Popular opinion and such no longer matters here and trump has said his only limitation is his own morality which does not exist.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'll go fight with the Canadians any day.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 24 points 2 months ago

You could fight for your own country today and maybe they won't have to.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Invading Canada would backfire drastically...

Some states would side with Canada early, others like Cali I think would see their own civil war because Newsom wont do it but the people would want it.

Cali is a huge reason the US is the juggernaut it is in the global economy.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think it entirely depends on how agressively the USA wants Canada. The wars in the middle east would look like a play date compared to a legitmate aggressive invasion of a neighbouring nation. I fully believe the Canadians would put up a damn good fight and insurrection, but life wouldn't be pleasant for many and as we've seen from America's track record, many non combatants will be caught in the crossfire.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Canada wouldn't put up much of an armed defence. They'd take out some invading aircraft and take norad systems offline. There would be some resistance, but officially Canada would surrender quickly. Then there'd be decades of sabotage (eg electrical distribution, poisoned water supplies) plus assassinations throughout the states - and no centralized target for the U.S. to fight back.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given the current treatment the USA is giving their own people, i could see them implementing nationwide policies to root out Canadian resistance and provide incentives for people to rat out insurgents. I'm not certain decades of sabotage would happen, especially considering how similar their cultures are. I'd imagine most insurgents behavior would stop with 5 years of the surrender and the vast majority of Canadians would accept their new reality. Any remaining incidents would be so infrequent the other violences inherrent in america would drown them out.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Canadians would all be under intense surveillance and I'm pretty sure the USA would not allow us to travel freely. That's how they'd try to stifle guerrilla resistance: they'd pin us down in our towns and cities and watch our every move. Since Canada is still addicted to US tech, in our homes and work and government, such surveillance would be easy and pervasive. And if, like me, you have criticized the USA online for years, you can expect them to know and come for you, and they'll have the camps ready. We would not be living freely under US rule. The idea that we could sit tight and wait for chances to fight back is optimistic.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

if this happened, I'd dedicate my life to destroying america, bit by bit

[–] bowreality@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

You think Americans would fight for us? They don’t even fight for themselves!!

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yesssss! Cobra chickens are ready to strike!

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ive got a few ideas im sure would be added to the war crimes section after the war if they did.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

You could never fit that many geese into a single outhouse.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

I'm hoping every person in Greenland also has that in mind.

[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think they will try to ruin our economy first, the Venezuela oil is a big playing card for them. Then they'll try to convince us that but will be less painful to join them, and unfortunately there are some here that will push for that for their own gain.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

its a pincher move. greenland and alaska.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Greenland would be a valuable asset for either a military invasion or a trade embargo on Canada.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

I think they will try to ruin our economy first

That's what Trump claims his tariffs are supposed to be doing.

May he keep shooting himself in the foot.

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I think by the time they get to us they'll be spread so thin in Venezuela, Greenland, Mexico, Cuba, etc... that they may not be able to mount enough of a force.

But who knows? It being a completely moronic idea never stopped Trump before.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

US military spending is $895,000,000,000

Venezuela $3,920,000
Greenland $0
Denmark $9,780,000,000
Mexico $16,450,000,000
Cuba unknown
Canada $29,070,000,000

That's $895 billion for the US compared to $55.3 billion for all those countries combined. There is no way the US will ever been spread thin enough to prevent them from doing whatever they want.

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And the US spent much more than the Taliban. Who's in charge in Afghanistan these days?

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago
[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm just learning that 2/3 of Canadians can't read or see.

[–] Threeskittiesinatrenchcoat@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, most Canadians don't have a very good understanding of the history in central and South America. Maybe if we did, more Canadians would recognize the parallels with the Alberta separatist movement.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

My 86-yo father is in the opening innings of dementia, and even he is successfully reading the writing on the wall. And this, despite a 5th grade education and a lifetime of blue collar work.

He’s currently trying to financially coerce my nephew to move back out of Alberta, as in his mind the agriculture and oil sands of that province will be one of Trump’s first objectives. I really can’t disagree with that analysis.

Hell, his side of the family came within a hair’s breadth of ending up in a Nazi concentration camp, so he’s always had a dim view of authoritarianism. About the only way he’s ever leaned in that direction is when politicians followed through with everything they said they were going to do. Such as Pierre Trudeau -- he hated the guy with a passion, but deeply respected how he always did pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do. No lies, no bait-and-switch, just an exceedingly honest (albeit arrogant) politician.

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[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

to the canadians in the comment section here. who are more inclined to resist. and want to start a local unofficial cell, you dont have to do all this yourself, but building a community of like minded people and organizing makes this a lot easier. people you can trust with your life

get your PAL license, ASAP. restricted PAL as well, not really valuable right now, but that doesnt mean it wont be in the future.once you have that, purchase 2 guns. a mossberg 500 pump action shotgun. its cheap, and reliable, and a few stacks of shells, slugs and buckshot. for drones and potential close quartes. get a secondary rifle of your choice, but something with cheap or readily available ammunition is ideal. smaller calibers are easier to silence, but american troops tend to wear plates. so lets hope its not all level 4. there are many ways to make a silencer if you're handy. also consider picking up a 3d printer and learning how to use it. theres limitless potential here.

if you dont like guns, and like doing some DIY, a drone license is about 10 dollars. and you can practice virtually as well. order cheap parts online, practice. (3d print parts as well if you like) never underestimate the amount of spare parts you can pull out of a cheap old paper printer. screws, gears, rods, motors, wiring. be creative with what you have.

learn "chemistry" and where to source ingredients, hardware stores and garden centers have reactant ingredients. research which ones work, and how to do it safely.

if you can afford it, thermal vision and night vision scopes or goggles, be prepaired to spend thousands on quality goggle. honestly you are pretty much dead without them, so avoid going out at night if you cant. unless you are doing a gray man activity.

also, flares/road flares. fantastic for blinding those with night vision. thermal vision is hard to get around. im sure theres a way, but i havent seen a universal choice besides hiding behind something thick and cold.

meshtastic communications, radios, these are something to consider. setting up solar powered networks now saves us dangerous networking trips after the invasion. its cheap, easy to learn. and it will save lives.

also, generators, diesel ones are great (especially older ones, diesel is easier to make than gas) but solar powered ones are also nice as well. if you make a male to male extension chord you can power your house by plugging into an outlet with the generator running.

heating. electric heaters, gas heaters, electric blankets, regular blankets, thermal wear, whatever you can get. they will cut power, and in the winter that will kill thousands of us. be prepared. winter gear is paramount.

general camping gear is also extremely valuable. tents, cooking equipment. axes, saws, etc. all great. be prepared to have your cell live in remote areas for a time. learn bushcraft. learn how to dig a trench, learn how to dig and build a proper bunker, and how to hide it.

FIRST AID. get your first aid for the love god.

learn to live off the land, hunting, fishing, gathering local flora. create trade networks.

CARDIO, WEIGHT TRAINING. dont worry about getting a six pack, in fact, pack on a few extra inches of fat. be daddy thick, learn how to make a preserve high calorie, high fat, and high protein meals. nature and the laws of thermodynamics doesnt give a fuck about aesthetics.

transportation is also key. drones also make it virtually impossible unless you are in an apc covered in a metal mesh made of old fences and power line wires.

thats a tough nut honestly, which is why its best to just hunker down and move only when its absolutely necessary. but use your imagination, try to keep it quiet when possible. remain hidden, strike only when you can guarantee that their losses will be greater than the cost of your lives.

theres like a million other things we'll need to know and share, but the best thing you can do is play to your strengths, learn to be resourceful with what you have, always try to adapt. and never lose hope. morale is the most important thing to any movement.

this is also gonna sound messed up, but we are going to have to be blood thirsty. and cruel. beyond anything you imagined doing before. we must be creative in iur cruelty. we have to make them remember why they feared us, and why that border was built in the first place. because once they cross that border. they arent humans anymore. they are nazis. fascists. they will rape, murder, and pillage as they always have, and they must be snuffed out, no matter the cost. our very way of life is at stake, and far more. we risk becoming the fuel to an engine that damns the world, far earlier than its intended expiration date. it is our duty not only as canadians, but human beings, to fight this machine at any cost. the cycle must end with us. regardless of what our government chooses to do for "the safety and well being of canadians" we the people decide our fates. and the fates of those who would harm us.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what would happen if all normal nations pooled together and got like a super elite hitman to snipe out the orange turd. Like would americans be like "bad, bad, bad, don't do it again! Okay?!" and then everything would settle down a bit.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like how Charlie Kirk's followers all came to their senses when he got shot?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Kirk was such a good propagandist that he would have continue brainwashing new peoples . It will be hard to find a better scum to continue what he started

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Dancing in the streets.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

If he does something other than sabre rattle in Greenland, we are at an actual kinetic war with our brain-addled conjoined twin.

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

define "may." Obviously I think it may happen. Would I bet that it *will? No. Greenland is much likelier and polymarket pegs that at just 11%.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Polymarket odds at time A can be very different from at time B. Prediction markets, like other markets, are not efficient. If they were, nobody would make any money in them.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We don't need to, the Albertans will hand it to us in another 15 years or so.

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

treaty law makes that very unlikely.

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Says more about the relationship from the rest of the west, to USA, rather than if/if not the statement is going to happen or not.

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