I can’t wait for all the leftists here to tell me exactly why AOC is too far right for anyone to vote for.
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She doesn't agree with me on everything up to and including mustard preference, so she's not capable of doing anything good ever. That's also why Vance isn't too far right to vote for btw. I won't elaborate.
Also she hasn't singlehandedly brought peace to insert random conflict in the world somewhere therefore she's just as bad if not worse than the Republicans, therefore I will not vote for her.
Also I will immediately forget about said conflict the minute the elections are over and I'm definitely not a Russian shill.
I'm definitely not a Russian shill.
These circlejerks are really start to sound like one. Good job, comrade. Fuck Putin.
"Let's do nothing about a genocide we're actively supporting because we're fine with as many people dying with our military complex. But it shouldn't inconvenience me, that's where my responsibility ends."
And when people say you deserve trump you can't help yourself call them names and use ad hominem to deflect off any criticism.
It's grainy Dijon mustard, right?
She’s in New York and if you look at the USA then you’ll notice that it is the biggest city on the RIGHT of the USA.
Check. MATE.
Ain't that the truth. Just had an argument the other with someone who said that unless she was left of Bernie there was no point in voting for her, and I'm like don't let perfect be the enemy of good, and my god you think I told them their mother was a whore. Finally realized what they were though and stopped responding then blocked.
I'm still baffled at how many leftists fell for Jimmy "let's make friend with Nazis" Dore's bullshit "force the M4A vote" grift.
I still see these dumb bastards screaming bloody murder acting like she's MAGA because she didn't fall for that moronic campaign.
Jimmy Dore is firmly on my shit list of those I wish to feed to the Joshua Trees, right next to Tucker Carlson.
leftist here.
Hi. Lefty. I'll allow it.
I have no problem with it, if this happens because a good part of Congress is more left leaning than AOC.
This is all performative. I think AOC has already been promised Chuck's seat without a primary challenger in 2028, and she's gonna take it.
She knows that if she ran for President in 2028, she would't stand a chance, because she lacks a key thing that Gavin has -- a penis. Look at the last few elections, and you will see that whenever the Democrats ran someone with that key asset for President, they won! The last penis-haver who lost was John Kerry, and he had his own issues.
No, all of America isn't a misogynist hellhole. But there are enough people out there who will come up with any excuse to not vote for a woman to make a difference. (My favorite from the last election was the guy who didn't vote for Harris because she reminded him too much of his ex-wife.)
AOC will run for Senate and win, and serve there for a term or three. Maybe by then, we'll be ready for a female President.
Two years of Schummer's seat and she can run for President. Just like how Obama did.
I just don't understand why she is against Hakeem Jeffries being primaried.
Would love to see the dems have the guts to put her in the VP position at some point.
Sure, but she appears to be an effective enough politician that making her VP is a bit of a waste. All the VP does is settle fights in the Senate and wait for the President to die.
Americans are currently still too misogynist to elect a female president. I’m sure she would do a great job, but it’s safer to slot her into the VP slot for now.
Safest to have her take Chuck's Senate seat. But I am acting a bit selfish here: as a New York State resident, I don't want to give her up yet.
She should just take schumers senate seat. Its more valuable to have another leftist vote in the senate chamber than it is to have one in the hot seat.
Reminds me of this futurama clip with all the bickering we’ll have about how she’s not left enough or she’s the same as the couch fucker.
AOC is the candidate I’ll vote for unless we get someone better. But will she have the guts to do the very same things Trump is doing, But for good?
I wish we had ranked choice voting…
all the bickering we’ll have about how she’s not left enough or she’s the same as the couch fucker.
Progressives are the most reliable voting block for the Dem party, and have been for decades...
What wins and loses elections is the 1/3 of the country that doesn't traditionally vote.
But we're not going to see the same pressure on AOC to move left that weve seen on the Dem candidate back to 2012, because this will be the first time since 08 the candidate won't be to the right of the voting base. Hell, the last Dem candidates have been to the right of the general populace even.
Obviously some people will want more, but they'll be statistically insignificant.
I wish we had ranked choice voting…
We'll have a fair primary this time, one that will let every state vote. And if people bomb at first they'll drop. It's not the same as simultaneous RCV nationwide for a primary, and I hope someday we'll get that.
But honestly, most problems with the party were solved last year in the chair election. Billionaire owned media just isn't gonna talk about.
How can you say that most problems with the party were solved when Schumer and Jeffries are shitting their pants daily and waving it in our faces?
Because their power came from threatening to have the DNC cut off funding to state parties...
Something the DNC had been doing for a long time, it was a credible threat.
Then a month later the voting members of the DNC elected Ken Martin as chair and he proverbially and literally made it rain on state parties. They've all been operating at campaign levels the last year, he's giving back the "victory fund" money that was stolen from them in the first place.
Why do you think so many politicians are suddenly so comfortable talking shit about them?
Why does no one listen to them?
They'll be "lame ducks" till midterms, but there's nothing really going on.
Schumer and Jefferies literally don't matter, but billionaire owned media is going to desperately try to make it seem like they do, same as with Newsom.
Meanwhile, everyone's acting like the literal DNC chair didn't say we need a presidential candidate like Mamdani (in charisma and policy) to save the party.
Shits fucking good right now with the party, better than it's been in 50 years honestly. Shit just moves slow and we got fucked by the order of things beyond an average voters control
She has my vote
With the insane temperature of US politics these days, I almost don't want her to run...
It is not that I don’t want her in the White House. It’s that I know in the current electoral college, she is unelectable.
Principles, morals, and virtue are great. You have to fucking win to govern.
Jeff Jackson is a much better choice IMO as about the furthest left young actually electable official you can tap in 3 years.
Don't run another woman please. Have they really not learned their lesson? I hate that it's true, but the US is a misogynistic population.
Hillary won the popular vote in 2016.
Did it matter?
"women can't win elections"
"a woman technically won the election in 2016"
"did it matter?"
The problem is not the vulva, the problem is running fuckers who dont CHANGE ANYTHING. Dems uphold the status quo, and Americans VERY CLEARLY do not want that. They want radical change, doesnt matter if it's left or right leaning.
Hillary and Kamala's public perception were in large part "The predecessor v2" and not "Big change for the US". Hillary is the wife of a dem president of the 90s. Kamala was literally Joe's VP, and Joe was Obamas VP. Joe only won due to the aftermath of COVID-19 and Americans having short term memory loss forgot that Trump was in office for COVID, and voted him back in because he was promising change.
The problem is the marketing and the fact dems aren't fucking doing enough. Run AOC.
Oh I completely agree. Kamala was always Hillary 2.0. But still, the risk, even is it's a few percent, is not worth it.
Doesn't matter if she's ready, doesn't matter if she even wants to be president
The next presidential is a "stars align" election and we can be deep in some FDR level shit in a decade because of it
It doesn't need to be AOC, but it'll be easier for her than anyone else
And maga won't say anything about her they didn't say about Hillary, Biden, or Harris. So it doesn't matter what they'd say, and Obama showed us we don't need neoliberals to win elections if we have a candidate with any measurable charisma.
So the only "downside" would be the neoliberals becoming Republicans again, which would start moderating that side of the aisle again.
doesn’t matter if she even wants to be president
Yeah, if she's going to be the nominee, that probably matters.
You don't know what "neoliberal" means and your "both sides" bullshit has brought about two Trump presidencies.
Obama the "neoliberal" won only on charisma and not policy? Utter bullshit.
You guys will stop at nothing to keep Republicans in power. You don't care about progressive issues.
You don’t know what “neoliberal” means and your “both sides” bullshit has brought about two Trump presidencies.
Oh yeah totally...
The reason trump got elected twice wasn't we kept running people with zero charisma and policy significantly to the right of the Dem voter base...
It's because some people online had the outright gall to talk about it, if they'd have just maintained the lie, maybe enough people would have fell for the lies!
/S
Fearmongering and badmouthing have made Ocasio-Cortez a bit of a... Let's just say, there are a lot of Democrats who won't vote for her.
I would. Absolutely. But we need a safe bet, one that will appeal to everyone who ain't a fucking MAGAt moron.