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[–] Highlandcow@feddit.uk 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Don't we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion

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[–] remon@ani.social 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Well, that aged like fine milk.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He's less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he's dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he's gone. Silver linings n'all that 🤷‍

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Anyone that's read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they're going to keep pushing. They're going to keep targeting the left. They're going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They're going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They're going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when's the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They're going to end up openly calling for genocide. It's going to happen.

So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it's too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There's definitely a WIKI page for it.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Antifa is such a strange concept to me because doesn't it stand for Anti-fascist? So making Antifa your enemy means you are fascist

[–] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Correct. And it's not strange.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

There are some republicans out there who think fascists are bad but also believe Antifa is some radical terrorist group. Even if it exists, that would be a good thing

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.

I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.

Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.

If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.

[–] TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.

[–] Awkwardparticle@programming.dev 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So this time around, is that 2 weeks?

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's an interesting subject, I sometimes wonder "is our fascism progressing faster than the Nazis?", but I haven't really come up with a good answer.

I'll stick with my "2 years" prediction though. I think a Reichstag fire moment is most likely when political tension is high, and political tension naturally peaks in the lead up to a presidential election.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Think that's a fair assessment. On the one hand we are more connected than ever and sentiment travels fast and echo chambers let dangerous extremist thought fester. On the other hand, Germans were experiencing just a much worse actual living situation.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

they love antifa because they can point at anything they don't like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.

fucking fascists.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

"Oh the democrats have done much worse." When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

People really are that out of touch with reality.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are fascists.

Period.

They fit the definition.

They are fascists.

They might be stupid fascists that don't even know it, but that doesn't change that they're fascists.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

People really are that out of touch with reality.

there's a portion that are ignorant sure. and there's a portion that leverages that ignorance as a shield to deny their fascist motivations.

they're both awful.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 103 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered "celebration" or "justification". We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 125 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cut the 'deep down they know' bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.

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[–] safesyrup@feddit.org 62 points 1 day ago (36 children)

Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”

Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.

Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.

The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.

In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.

Edit:

If you’re interested in seeing how this plays out in practice, the New York Times put together a quiz a few years back that illustrates the point really well:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

From what I've heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:

Reichstag Fire

(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)

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[–] minoscopede@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I don’t see why either side is trying to disown the dude. He turned himself in. That’s so brave, and the right thing to do regardless of affiliation.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't speak to the shooter's motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the "at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor" etc bits seem pretty dumb.

It'd be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It's sort of relevant because when crazy stuff happens in a Democratic state, the right points fingers and they imply that chaos is happening because of governance.

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