Carney’s Message to the World: The Rules No Longer Protect You

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Carney, and the Liberals and centrists in general, constantly resist real change. He acts more like a conservative than anything, and even very recently tried to screw over the Air Canada attendants when they tried to fight for fair pay. He’s selling off our resources to private companies and laying off government workers during a time where those people will seriously struggle to find new work.

The speech was decent, I guess, but coming from Carney it’s just a bad joke. Like Trudeau kneeling with the BLM protesters, he’s demanding better behaviour from world leaders while being a world leader who can’t behave himself. Pretty, empty words from a weak man.

We should listen and form a new world order, and we should make sure that he doesn’t get to pretend like he was on the right side of history.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 58 minutes ago

Carney is very conservative. He was well liked by Harper and is to the right of Trudeau. We really need actual leftists and not bankers leading the way and I regret voting for him and not voting NDP or to a communist party (even if they had no chance of winning).

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So then the rules should no longer protect them either

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Yea, but they hold power and we can't pay rent. But let's use our collective anger to left pray things will change

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 59 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (4 children)

This was a historic speech and I sincerely hope the European leaders get the message. It was also very surprising to hear him lay bare the problem with the old world order and talking about a new one that would live up to its ideals. There is more to Carney than I thought.

I still oppose many of his domestic policies that I consider too right wing. But that's what a democracy is about.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There is more to Carney than I thought.

Having read his book before the election, this is exactly who I expected when I voted.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

A liar? A guy who busts union strikes who rides in on his high horse to tell everyone else they need to create a new world order? The guy who sells our natural resources to private companies for a quick buck and lays off thousands of government jobs in a time where those people will have an immensely difficuly time getting jobs? The guy who handles finances like a conservative?

You hoped for someone to create a progressive new future and you voted for Carney? And you’re just admitting that openly? That’s wild, dude.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Pretty uniquely honest for a Western leader to recognize the double standards within that old order which was designed to maintain Western hegemony at the expense of the Global South.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Listening to him again reminded me of '08 when he helped lead us out of the Wall St shit storm. It's the main reason I voted for him too. He tells the truth - no sugar coating, no dumb cliches, no lies to make you feel better.

I'm not happy with everything he's done (see Bill C-2) but when things get rough he lays the cards on the table and says it like it is.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 31 minutes ago

Bill C-2 isn't law yet. It needs to be crushed to dust and never considered again. In fact most post-2000s terrorism legislation needs to be repealed. It has never protected anyone but simply made dissent harder and less effective.

[–] OliveMoon@lemmy.ca 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I watched the whole speech. I am so proud to be Canadian!! I love that we have an educated, worldly, Prime Minister. He’s fucking amazing!

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

hes obviously the best option we can realistically hope for in our current social/political structure. HOWEVER. hes a politician, and a very wealthy banker. so dont miss the mountain for the trees here.

quietly pushing digital ID, AI, increased surveillance, decreased personal privacy, subverting charter rights and constitutional rights, giving our information without warrant to the police, our government, and the united states government and corporations, using tax payer funding to pay for private interest projects that directly undermine green energy and expand american, and other foreign financial interest in our countries resources. removing canadians ability to defend themselves against an apparantly imminent foreign invasion by reducing firearm availability and punishing legal gun owners as a result of an issue directly correlated to illegal firearms imported from the united states. all the while increasing police funding and military funding which also directly puts tax payer money into the pockets of military contractors, foreign and domestic. limiting the ability to defend our sovereignity to government employees rather than average citizens.

he gives a great speech, he is much better than pierre poilievre, however, he does not represent 99% of canadians, he represents the rich, industry, and established/emerging monopolies above all else. the new world order he speaks of is one where we will continue to struggle financially as workers so that corporations and the elite can maintain stable control over a productive yet exhausted population. snowballing the concentration of wealth and power to the elite, and new emerging elite class. while reducing ownership for consumers in virtually every single sector you can imagine. fuelling our economy with an indebted population.

the new boot on our heads is just a bit more polished and expensive, but it is still a boot on our heads. and its going to be a bit heavier than it was before. but with the right marketing, we will always beg for more, thinking its for our own good.

so unless you are already quite well off, dont expect a grand shift in your fortunes and affordability. not just because of him, or trump, or a new economic model, but the class that they both represent. the elites are shifting the board, and the people, as always, will bear the brunt of it all. while they make off like faceless bandits, and we infight against one another, fearful of immigrants, foreign powers, differing ideologies, and general security.

politicians are merely puppets, scape goats, hitmen, and sin eaters for the wealthy and poor alike. hired to take the guilt, shame, glory, and responsibility of our wanted desires so that we do not have to. when it goes good or bad we claim proudly or sheepishly who we voted for, and blame each other for the outcomes, regardless of how good or bad they may actually be, instead of directly addressing the faceless manipulators who guided and uplifted every single head of state in the modern world, for their benefit.

that is the beauty of being an elite, all the riches and glory, and no repercussions. the social backlash is for the political lackies.

when any head of state speaks, pretend they are only speaking to the wealthy. because they are.

"its a big club, and you aint in it"

[–] budakai@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago

This is the answer I feel sums up my feelings best. Really good nuanced take on Carney. Love him for the leader we need right now, but the last thing the world needs is more neoliberal and enshittified ideas. Hate how his ideas apply to countries, but not citizens. Corporate hegemony has been an issue in Canada since Confederation.

[–] GodofLies@lemmy.ca 21 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If you've only read the headlines and not read the actual speech , you're missing out on a lot of important details.

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

The actual speech

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 86 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Thank God Pierre Pollivre wasn't elected or this would be a much different story.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 16 hours ago

At some point during the speech this popped in my head:

I just cannot imagine the world of shit we'd be living in if he had won the election. Even since, he's contributed absolutely nothing to the political discourse in this country. And he's changing seats, again.

(And I know Draper is an asshole, I just mean the whole vibe is what came to mind. I don't think I've heard Carney even mention Polievre since letting him have a seat with the by-election).

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 46 points 21 hours ago

We would already be the 51st state.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 19 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

He'd bend over and ask for Canada to take more. Nothing I've read from him sounds like a proper leader of this country. He's as whiny as a toddler like the neighbor's 'leader'. Calling that thing a leader is laughable, he couldn't lead a train on the track unless there was a pile of gold in sight.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

He lost so bad he got a pity seat and is causing his party to collapse

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The pity seat isn't good enough for him, they're going to run him in another seat.

I don't know if that means he simply hates it there, or the party plans on dumping him and returning that seat to a party faithful.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the conservatives in the Battle River-Crowfoot riding ripped PP a new one for taking the seat in the first place.

They toed the line ... but only once.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

I would not want my MP to be a guy with zero connections to the community, who is only begrudgingly there because it’s safe, and will spend all good time living two provinces away.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I've got some bad news for you. The only reason he isn't our prime minister is because Trump happened.

An UNcomfortable amount of your fellow Canadians actual support that guy

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

PP at the world economic forum:

GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GAH... We need to support our allies in seizing Greenland GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The Gluck is the sound of him throating cock, right?

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Correct!

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[+] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works -10 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Not so idealistic once the war machine turns its eyes upon you, right? But it was fine when only poor countries were on the list. Institutionalized hypocrisy.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

Did you watch the speech? He said pretty much that point.

Or are you anti-red no matter what because you have the imbecile like belief that politics is a team sport, and you always root for your team, even when they're a bunch of losers.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBIES@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Lol

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago

joined 15 hours ago and just to shit on this

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 29 points 18 hours ago

Wow, I can't believe I'm about to say that I like what this banker just said.

But uhh, I think I like what this banker just said.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 55 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This was a profound speech. There was a lot to it. Declaring the death of the liberal international order with less than shining obit being one example. That was a very powerful statement. More than that though, he has been gradually laying down pieces of a framework for working back towards a world order we might want to see. Can we do it without the US smashing it all up first? Very uncertain. Still, can't fault Carney for taking the position he has. He's supposed to be a leader, it's a time when leadership is desperately needed, and he is stepping up as a leader.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

"We knew RBIO was bullshit the whole time but we thought we could fake it til we make it" is pretty real and based.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

Mark Carney to Europe:

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 77 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It was nice to read the speech. I approve of Carney's message. Here were some lines I found humorous:

Nostalgia is not a strategy
If we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu
We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strength

[–] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strength

Now it would be a shame if Russia or China would make the same comment, would it not?

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 73 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I wish he was less of a, you know, investor capitalist, but his take on international relations is a wonder to behold. This speech basically boiled down to his election speeches, calling out the US, and telling the world that the Big Fish are nobody's friend, and that the rest of us need to partner up and stop competing with each other to simp for the Americans.

He basically declared that the American Empire is over, and we're done acting as a vassal state.

Fucking wild. I never thought I'd live to see the day.

[–] buffaloseven@piefed.ca 30 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Rather poetic less than 24 hours after Trump paraded out a map with American flags over Canada, Greenland, and Venezuela.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 15 hours ago

Don't worry. Trump is speaking in Davos tomorrow.

Oh happy days. 🙄

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 42 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I know that many here and myself included, don't appreciate his anti-worker example of the "Workers of the World Unite" being used as the lie of a corrupt regime...

However, this was a profound speech, and I would say one of Carney's best since his election as Prime Minister. A great leader recognizes their own leadership and government's faults to try and find the best way forward.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I took that as more of an anti-soviet dig instead of an anti-worker dig.

There's no doubt that infected dictatorships co-opt valid communist, leftist, socialist and working-class rhetoric to serve their own selfish authoritarian agenda.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I think he ultimately brought it for the sake of example, one that his audience, the elite capitalist class could understand.

[–] Hazematman@lemmy.ca 8 points 16 hours ago

I think he's just a capitalist banker with agenda to push capitalist friendly policies but in the context of how he compares it to rules based order (a potentially good thing) I don't think this is what he meant. He says we pretend we have rules based order because it was a good thing even though we know at heart that strong powers can act outside the rules. The shop owners pretend the workers are united (a good thing) even though they know the government is corrupt and does not support the workers.

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 12 points 17 hours ago

I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…

That was my first thought, why the fuck did he have to dismiss and disparage workers from the very start of his speech? Then I remembered, he is a banker, he serves the bankers, and bankers have no use for workers except to bleed them dry.

It is encouraging that he recognizes SOME of the failures of the current system, but he ignored the rise of fascism world-wide, and still thinks everything will be fine if we just have more militarism and capitalism.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 23 points 20 hours ago

It wasn't an example of a corrupt regime, though, but of a failed one. The soviet union failed to live up to the promise of workers uniting for collective ownership, and it was failing as a dictatorship. The sign in the window here is not pretending a corrupt regime wasn't corrupt, but that a crumbling regime wasn't crumbling.

The current world order has been crumbling for some time. No one on the world has been willing to say so. He turned around and said "let it".

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I think he's saying nice words, but I'll believe them when I see actions. I should preface this with, I understand running a country is like sailing a massive ship. It takes time to correct course. Additionally, it would be great if they worked with the NDP and seemed like they cared more lol.

Canada keeps tip toeing around the whole Palestinian genocide. I assume because it's largely american backed, but if what he says is true, then I would like to see them speak up more. They talk about Greenland and Ukraine but it would be nice for them to...be equal.

Additionally in terms of the economy, we might be largely well educated but many of the people I know have degrees, diplomas and even masters and have had a hell of a time finding worthwhile work (if any) for the past 6 years. Some have had better luck than others, but like...damn it doesn't seem like we're prospering here. Cost of living has skyrocketed. My outlook for the future isn't looking great. I largely have no idea if I'll be living comfortably in a decade or be worse off. It's difficult if not impossible to plan for a future.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 15 hours ago

Carney already told Trump to pound sand on the “Board of Peace”.

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 31 points 21 hours ago

I especially like his emphasis on truth, not an angry shouting of truth, but a refusal to be silent about the falsehoods. Take the signs out of the windows.

[–] F4rtEmp3r0r@lemmy.ca 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

"Welcome to the club"

the global south

Canada

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