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[–] mikenurre@lemmy.world 329 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 160 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 90 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America's greatest exports. And that's not even a joke.

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[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back.

Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.

[–] Bababasti@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 188 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.

ETA: I'm not defending Microsoft's usage of the term 'Visio' here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like 'Word' or 'SQL Server'. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I'm just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Microslop can cry about it.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.

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[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 126 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

I don't understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!

Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it's an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn't independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.

What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70's and 80's that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid

China doesn't care about patents of outsiders.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago

Seems to me that it’s time for the rest of the world to invalidate US IP and go from there.

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[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

This is only a part of france's "LaSuite" (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And all their videos are on Peertube!

!lasuite@tube.numerique.gouv.fr

Unfortunately source code is still hosted on GitHub...

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 week ago

To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 48 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Good on them, but I Wonder why they can't just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.

It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know on what it's based on, but it's open source and audited.

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[–] FE80@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anything that kicks big tech's teeth in is good.

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Trump is amazing. He literally destroys anything he touches and still get rewarded for it. Just wow.

Edit: Destroys casinos and hotels. Gets rewarded a tv show. Destroy multiple brands. Get rewarded the presidency. Destroys so many American lives. Gets rewarded the presidency a second time. Destroys the United States and it's ties with it's allies. Gets rewarded with untold billions.

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[–] CactusEcho@piefed.social 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why not jitsi meet? Isn't better to use an already "established" opensource conferencing tool?

They could just selfhost their instance.

[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They've been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn't performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It's a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.

Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they've put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it's a cool initiative, but I think it's pretty clear that it's open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.

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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.

Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible. The thing they are using seems to be based on another package with a similar issue.

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[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 34 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Looks like this is it, but it's called "Meet" here:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don't they google the names before they make the decision?

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage

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[–] troed@fedia.io 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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