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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/46886810

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state," an idea that has infuriated most of Canada's 40 million citizens.

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Hence this suggestion: Why not expand the EU to include Canada? Is that so far-fetched an idea? In any case, Canadians have actually considered the question themselves. In February 2025, a survey conducted by Abacus Data on a sample of 1,500 people found that 44% of those polled supported the idea, compared to 34% who opposed it. Better the 28th EU country than the 51st US state!

One might object: Canada is not European, as required for EU membership by Article 49 of the EU Treaty. But what does "European" actually mean? The word cannot be understood in a strictly geographic sense, or Cyprus, closer to Asia, would not be part of the EU. So the term must be understood in a cultural sense.

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As [Canadian Prime Minister Mark] Carney said in Paris, in March: Thanks to its French and British roots, Canada is "the most European of non-European countries." He speaks from experience, having served as governor of the Bank of England (a post that is assigned based on merit, not nationality). Culturally and ideologically, Canada is close to European democracies: It shares the same belief in the welfare state, the same commitment to multilateralism and the same rejection of the death penalty or uncontrolled firearms.

Moreover, Canada is a Commonwealth monarchy that shares a king with the United Kingdom.

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Even short of a formal application, it would be wiser for Ottawa to strengthen its ties with European democracies rather than with the Chinese regime. The temptation is there: Just before heading to Davos, Carney signed an agreement with Beijing to lower tariffs on electric vehicles imported from China.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 3 points 34 minutes ago

Meanwhile USA east and west coast are looking into joining Canada (and EU?) while Trump is looking into convincing Canada's oil producing provinces to join becoming states.

People wanted change. They're going to get it. Not the one they voted for probably.

[–] r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I like this idea a lot but would like to retain our currency. Otherwise I think it’s all upside.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 31 minutes ago (2 children)

You mean like the UK did? Do you need more prior art than that?

[–] r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 minutes ago

I don’t think that’s an option for new members any more. I know Denmark was given an exception, but it may be a sticking point for the EU

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

Why are you attached to the currency?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

As a dual Greek-Canadian citizen: fuck the Euro. It's a straightjacket that forces everyone to follow the economic priorities of Germany.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

While Greece does have economic problems because of Europe it's not the Euro that's at fault and they predate the EU.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 minutes ago

Greece's problems prior to the debt crisis were not the fault of the Euro.

The "solutions" that were offered to Greece during the crisis were conceived with Greece's best interest in mind, but with preserving the Euro and placating German (and other "northern") right wingers that saw the debt crisis as a moral crusade against "lazy Mediterraneans". That's what I mean by straitjacket. The Greek economy was forced into an aggressive internal devaluation with no upside. Greece is currently trailing behind post-soviet-bloc members. It's been effectively shot for at least 10-20 years.

This is to say: a currency union only works if you have other mechanisms for deeper union in terms of fiscality, transfers etc. And in an unequal system like the European one, this doesn't work to the advantage of everyone. Canada should not let go of the CAD.

[–] Toto@lemmy.world 40 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They aren’t comparable. One is the prospect of a forced marriage, the other is being asked to join a semi functional study group.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 17 points 2 hours ago

Forced marriage to a violent, abusive bully, vs study group with a disorganized slightly autistic nerd who's really smart. I don't want to spoil the endings, but I think we should all be able to figure out which one is going to have a positive impact on our lives and which one's going to turn us into a domestic violence statistic.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

This is an interesting prospect. I hope that it's explored further. Either that, or the CANZUK idea.

Middle Power Path.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 44 minutes ago

Both were being called for under Trudeau, he couldn't make it work.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I don’t think I want to be chained up to the UK.

They’re not a good example these days.

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 6 points 1 hour ago

the UK is also barely european. also their politics feel very american

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 37 minutes ago

You're not trapped with the UK; they're trapped with us.

Besides, Spain and Denmark seem kinda cool for study-buddies, and we can learn a bit about how to take care of people instead of corporations if we hang out a bit.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 hour ago

See, we're speaking German already.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm already jealous of Canadians, to give them passport free travel and the option to move anywhere in Europe.... fuuuuck me

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 3 points 38 minutes ago

id go live with my brother in germany for a while, id love to see the black forest and the old castles. or go look for some amber chunks in the water of the baltic sea.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 hours ago
[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Quick fun fact: Morocco considers itself European in a geographical sense, or at least they once did and applied for membership.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think Morocco is super European culturally though. There are values they very much disagree with most Europeans on, such as LGBTQ rights.

I have no issue with Morocco as a trade partner, or easy travel between Morocco and the EU, but I don't think we'd like the vibes they'd bring to the European Parliament, etc.

There's something to be gained from diversity of course, but I do think their society's values are a bit too different from most of ours.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Being not 100% a democracy and having massive nationalistic tensions with an equally powerful neighbor is a pretty big pill to swallow, as well.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well, since no one else considered them to be geographially European it is of little importance. But culture wise? Definitely not if you ask me. I see better chances for Turkey after some minor (read: major) shifts in politics.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 hours ago

Honestly, geographically I can see how they'd consider to be almost European. The strait of Gibraltar isn't that wide, it's a shorter distance for them to cross to Europe than it is for me to cross to Finland from Estonia!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Turkiye has been waiting in line for EU membership since the 1987

After the ten founding members in 1949, Turkey became one of the first new members (the 13th member) of the Council of Europe in 1950. The country became an associate member of the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1963 and was an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.

But... Turkiye's a majority Muslim country. So Portugal, Spain, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Croatia all got to jump the queue ahead of it.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Eh, I think it’s less about being Muslim and more about the human rights violations.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago (2 children)

Explain the introduction of Cyprus, on those terms

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 3 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (1 children)

Real real bad example, as Cyprus was literaly invaded and is currently militarily occupied by Turkey

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago

How dirty money and Russian riches flow through Cyprus, a gateway to the EU

Possibly one of the most corrupt and compromised governments on earth

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (1 children)

The unoccupied part of Cyprus is a functional democracy. At the time of accession, it was hoped that the EU would catalyze a solution to the Cyprus problem altogether. Greek-Cypriot nationalists fucked that up.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

The unoccupied part of Cyprus is a functional democracy.

There's two ways to read this and one of them is very funny.

But sure, put all your chips on Kyriakos Mitsotakis and tell me about the freedoms enjoyed by Greek Cypriots in 2026.

At the time of accession, it was hoped that the EU would catalyze a solution to the Cyprus problem altogether. Greek-Cypriot nationalists fucked that up.

Inducting Cyprus while denying longtime NATO ally and European trading partner Turkiye was already guaranteed to land flat. Opening the floodgates for money and military aid into Cyprus, via the EU relaxed trade and travel rules, yielded predictable results.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 31 minutes ago

The biggest problem with Turkey is not religion, it's the stunted democracy, the abstention from various international treaties, the occupation of half of Cyprus and the active casus belli against Greece.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

We don't need the Euro. We don't need the European Stability and Growth Pact. Yes to closer integration, no to joining EU institutional dysfunction.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)
  1. We can keep our money
  2. Institutional dysfunction is a weird term for global management in a format intended to be collaborative and egalitarian. It's different from how the East India company managed their territory because it's not autocratic, and in this it's kinda new.
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)
  1. No we can't. The 1992 Maastricht Treaty requires new entries to eventually join the Euro.

  2. I'm talking very specifically about how the EU is politically dysfunctional. The EU hasn't matured institutionally, requiring unanimity for things that shouldn't require it (c.f. Hungary) and informal pressure for things that shouldn't (cf. how Greek democracy was rendered irrelevant by Shcauble).