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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/46886810

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state," an idea that has infuriated most of Canada's 40 million citizens.

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Hence this suggestion: Why not expand the EU to include Canada? Is that so far-fetched an idea? In any case, Canadians have actually considered the question themselves. In February 2025, a survey conducted by Abacus Data on a sample of 1,500 people found that 44% of those polled supported the idea, compared to 34% who opposed it. Better the 28th EU country than the 51st US state!

One might object: Canada is not European, as required for EU membership by Article 49 of the EU Treaty. But what does "European" actually mean? The word cannot be understood in a strictly geographic sense, or Cyprus, closer to Asia, would not be part of the EU. So the term must be understood in a cultural sense.

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As [Canadian Prime Minister Mark] Carney said in Paris, in March: Thanks to its French and British roots, Canada is "the most European of non-European countries." He speaks from experience, having served as governor of the Bank of England (a post that is assigned based on merit, not nationality). Culturally and ideologically, Canada is close to European democracies: It shares the same belief in the welfare state, the same commitment to multilateralism and the same rejection of the death penalty or uncontrolled firearms.

Moreover, Canada is a Commonwealth monarchy that shares a king with the United Kingdom.

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Even short of a formal application, it would be wiser for Ottawa to strengthen its ties with European democracies rather than with the Chinese regime. The temptation is there: Just before heading to Davos, Carney signed an agreement with Beijing to lower tariffs on electric vehicles imported from China.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 47 minutes ago (2 children)

I don't think Canada joining the EU is really realistic. It's not about geography, it's mostly regulation.

For example, all EU countries meet the "European standard EN 50075:1990", which is about electrical plugs. Every device in Europe is compatible with that plug, and every plug meets that standard. Even Switzerland which isn't part of the EU meets the 2-prong standard. Canada uses the NEMA 1-15 and NEMA 5-15 standards instead. And it isn't just the plugs. North America uses 120 V at 60Hz, Europe uses 230 V at 50 Hz. I really can't see a way for Canada to switch to the EU standard without a massive cost and/or a very long implementation period. And what does it gain? I much prefer europlugs and 230V appliances. My electric kettle boiled a whole lot faster in the EU, and things were retained in the socket much better than the dumb blade connectors Canada uses. But, I wouldn't want to have to pay an extra $2000 in taxes (x 40 million or whatever) just to switch to this slightly better standard.

That's just the start of it. There are different standards for roads, vehicles, health and safety, basically every aspect of life. Canada could switch to some at great expense, like changing all road signs. But, AFAIK being truly part of the EU would mean switching to all EU standards, unless special exemptions were made.

IMO, what would make more sense is just closer integration: free movement of people, free movement of goods, maybe closer collaboration on research, health and safety, etc.

[–] Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

There are several standards for plugs. Types C, E, F, and G. Only the slim ungrounded plugs will fit in type C, E, and F sockets. Grounded type F plugs will be ungrounded in C or E sockets, and grounded type E plugs don't fit in anything but a type E sockets. If the type C or E are the full round plug, neither will fit in a type F socket even if it is ungrounded (I know this because I had to trim excess plastic from a type C plug to use it in a type F socket. Type G is used by Ireland Malta and Cyprus and is entirely incomparable with the other types. Type G also makes an excellent caltrop and will fuck up your foot in a profound way if you step on it. Then the Italians swiss and Danes all have their own style of plug. Most of the countries have a mixture of type C and whatever earthed version that country prefers.

As for the voltage requirements that's only a thing because the entirety of Europe is connected in one large grid. Obviously Canada wouldn't be.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 9 minutes ago

Canada and the EU can agree to a gradual transition, with support and planning - EU supplying the necessary devices for replacing current ones, modest discounts for trading old vehicles for new, focusing on replacing small township infrastructure before doing the bigger cities, and so forth.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 11 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Meanwhile USA east and west coast are looking into joining Canada (and EU?) while Trump is looking into convincing Canada's oil producing provinces to join becoming states.

People wanted change. They're going to get it. Not the one they voted for probably.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Any US state that wanted to join Canada would have to reckon with the "guns" thing. Even states that align with Canada in most ways still have a lot of gun nuts, even left-leaning gun nuts. Meanwhile, Canada has slowly been tightening already fairly restrictive gun laws. One glance across the border makes Canadians convinced that guns just escalate problems, they don't solve them.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 8 minutes ago

Guns are one of those things that don't solve problems, until they have to.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

False dichotomy, and both are bad ideas.

[–] r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I like this idea a lot but would like to retain our currency. Otherwise I think it’s all upside.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why are you attached to the currency?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

As a dual Greek-Canadian citizen: fuck the Euro. It's a straightjacket that forces everyone to follow the economic priorities of Germany.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

While Greece does have economic problems because of Europe it's not the Euro that's at fault and they predate the EU.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Greece's problems prior to the debt crisis were not the fault of the Euro.

The "solutions" that were offered to Greece during the crisis were not conceived with Greece's best interest in mind, but with preserving the Euro and placating German (and other "northern") right wingers that saw the debt crisis as a moral crusade against "lazy Mediterraneans". That's what I mean by straitjacket. The Greek economy was forced into an aggressive internal devaluation with no upside. Greece is currently trailing behind post-soviet-bloc members. It's been effectively shot for at least 10-20 years.

This is to say: a currency union only works if you have other mechanisms for deeper union in terms of fiscality, transfers etc. And in an unequal system like the European one, this doesn't work to the advantage of everyone. Canada should not let go of the CAD.

EDIT: We are a raw resouces exporter. So take oil for example. If Canada joined the Euro, and oil prices crashed while German manufacturing stayed strong, the Euro would remain high. Canada would be stuck with a "strong" currency it can't afford, leading to the exact same "straitjacket" effect that Greece suffered from.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

The “solutions” that were offered to Greece during the crisis were not conceived with Greece’s best interest in mind, but with preserving the Euro and placating German (and other “northern”) right wingers that saw the debt crisis as a moral crusade against “lazy Mediterraneans”.

The euro is a great advantage for all countries that take part, including Greece. It was Greece's membership in Eurozone that made the support easier for all sides.

There have been problems back then and many of them may still persist, but they have nothing to do with the currency. Nor has it to do with the "right wingers" that saw "a moral crusade against lazy Mediterraneans" that forced Greece "into an aggressive internal devaluation." This is meaningless propaganda rant.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a good way of putting it but we're in that situation now with our own currency.

It's just less forward facing that something costs twice as much because of the American dollar vs the same cost but we have half as much.

Simplified but I hope you can see the parallel.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

You mean like the UK did? Do you need more prior art than that?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Take Sweden and Denmark as better examples. But these opt-outs are no longer available. The 1992 Maastricht Treaty is explicit.

[–] r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I don’t think that’s an option for new members anymore. I know Denmark was given an exception, but it may be a sticking point for the EU

[–] Toto@lemmy.world 53 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They aren’t comparable. One is the prospect of a forced marriage, the other is being asked to join a semi functional study group.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 25 points 4 hours ago

Forced marriage to a violent, abusive bully, vs study group with a disorganized slightly autistic nerd who's really smart. I don't want to spoil the endings, but I think we should all be able to figure out which one is going to have a positive impact on our lives and which one's going to turn us into a domestic violence statistic.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

This is an interesting prospect. I hope that it's explored further. Either that, or the CANZUK idea.

Middle Power Path.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Both were being called for under Trudeau, he couldn't make it work.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Trudeau as a leader was a nothingburger in terms of effectiveness.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

A lot of the time it felt like he would only do something if it benefited the Americans.

I was glad he stepped down, but it still illustrates that people wanted it.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Hopefully the past year or so has made us wake up as a nation overall.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t think I want to be chained up to the UK.

They’re not a good example these days.

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 9 points 3 hours ago

the UK is also barely european. also their politics feel very american

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

You're not trapped with the UK; they're trapped with us.

Besides, Spain and Denmark seem kinda cool for study-buddies, and we can learn a bit about how to take care of people instead of corporations if we hang out a bit.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 hours ago

See, we're speaking German already.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 30 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm already jealous of Canadians, to give them passport free travel and the option to move anywhere in Europe.... fuuuuck me

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

id go live with my brother in germany for a while, id love to see the black forest and the old castles. or go look for some amber chunks in the water of the baltic sea.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 28 points 5 hours ago
[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 14 points 5 hours ago (11 children)

Quick fun fact: Morocco considers itself European in a geographical sense, or at least they once did and applied for membership.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think Morocco is super European culturally though. There are values they very much disagree with most Europeans on, such as LGBTQ rights.

I have no issue with Morocco as a trade partner, or easy travel between Morocco and the EU, but I don't think we'd like the vibes they'd bring to the European Parliament, etc.

There's something to be gained from diversity of course, but I do think their society's values are a bit too different from most of ours.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Being not 100% a democracy and having massive nationalistic tensions with an equally powerful neighbor is a pretty big pill to swallow, as well.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, since no one else considered them to be geographially European it is of little importance. But culture wise? Definitely not if you ask me. I see better chances for Turkey after some minor (read: major) shifts in politics.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 hours ago

Honestly, geographically I can see how they'd consider to be almost European. The strait of Gibraltar isn't that wide, it's a shorter distance for them to cross to Europe than it is for me to cross to Finland from Estonia!

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