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All this talk about Discord replacements plus my own experience attempting to host a Synapse has got me wondering why it seems so hard to implement voice chat.

Stupid idea: back in 2022 I got an Asterisk server working on a raspberry pi over AREDN without too much trouble. What's stopping people from just using a PBX like that for voice chat?

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I ran mumble for years, insanely easy setup.

[–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 2 points 15 hours ago

I found out the other day that I had a mumble server still running that I had been tinkering with a year or so ago and just forgot about. Hadn't noticed it was still running this whole time because it's so low in resource usage

[–] Hazematman@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago

Not a good discord replacement but setting up nextcloud talk (simple p2p voice chat) and then the high performance backend (better supports video/voice calls between 3+ people) was relatively easy. We use it among my family now to have group calls instead of relying on facebook messenger.

[–] falynns@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

I have a Jitsi server hosted through a docker container that was pretty easy, and ties into Rocket Chat. Jitsi does voice and video, Rocket Chat does chat.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has big XKCD Energy. It almost feels like an exact recreation of the comic but with tech:

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I meant the OP more as a lament about it being hard rather than a quip about it being easy.

Though upon reflection it's not the voice chat that's a problem, it's the fact that Discord is a lot of things, a chatroom, a VOIP service, and so on, and recreating all those things on top bolting on federation (which I don't see as a desirable feature in this case) is what makes it so hard.

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Update: I got Mumble working without a lot of grief. Their mobile client isn't great though. I might try Stoat.

Federation just complicates things, as it's just for a myself and a few friends.

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

I remember using mumble in a time when smartphones weren't even a thing yet. Love to see the open source tool outlive everything else!

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago

Look at fluxer it's stoat developed by someone who isn't retarded. Has done more in a fraction of the time and actually has functional features

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure it is but I have an iphone

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Oof. There's an entire fdroid ecosystem you've cut yourself off from.

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

iPhone has better accessibility.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

~~fdroid~~ Sideloading

Almost everything in fdroid can simply be sideloaded. Due to the inability to backup your app list from fdroid, I've completely switched to obtainium.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Stoat is the epitome of grief lol

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 102 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Simple 1:1 audio stream is easy.

Groups, screen sharing, noise canceling, NAT traversal, mobile apps, and all those extra features people have come to expect are hard.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly!

people act entitled as if all that you mention was trivial and that somehow FOSS devs "owe" people, but we only see those big corpos make it happen because... well, they're big corpos, burning VC money on makint it happen and making it happen in a controlled jail.

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have honestly not seen anyone acting like they are "owed" these things by FOSS developers. We just want them.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

I have seen lots of people. Mostly not here, but that's because we here know better (I'd hope). Runs along with usual complaints such that they can't move from a platform with 9trillion captive users to a new budding platform, conveniently forgetting that when they began Shitter and stuff also had like 0 users yet people did move.

[–] matsdis@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As for "why is it hard to self-host", it is only NAT traversal.

TURN, STUN, ICE, etc. are not fun to debug. Not sure if anyone still bothers fiddling with TOS/DSCP on their router. You can build a voice server that just exposes a TCP port, but... latency. And corporate firewalls love to randomly block some UDP port ranges but not others.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago

Mumble will do all of that except screen sharing. Only the server has to deal with NAT.

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The one point that has basically been solved is NAT traversal. Thanks to Wire guard, Tailscale and the like. The relevant parts are open source and can be used basically as a library.

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Or we could finally rip off the bandaid and move to IPv6

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[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's easy. Mumble. Or the thing you used probably still works.

But you see, people never actually seek a discord alternative. They want a discord alternative that includes all the features in one app that is also federated, AND end to end encrypted, and each one makes things vastly more technically challenging and resource intensive and then you want them together.

A little secret: Matrix is much, much easier to host if you disable encryption and federation. Federation to many servers is the main performance killer, and "failed to decrypt message" will all disappear if you disable encryption.

[–] ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Try mumble if you just need voice. Just fire up a docker container and open a tcp and a udp port. The settings are under-documented so things like auth are tough to set up.

[–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 2 points 20 hours ago

Tried mumble, worked easy and well, but i realised im not able to do without persistent chat and screen share any more. Now trying to get Matrix to work.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

I'll 3rd mumble. Been hosting for over a decade.

No tracking, no ads, no bloat... This does it's one thing and does it very well.

[–] coaxil@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

I second mumble, it's a 5 min job to fire it up and default servers settings are enough to get going out of the box.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s not! Use SonoBus; it’s dead simple, and superior to Discord. It’s far lower latency, with customizable filters, peer-to-peer; and totally free.

Now if you want emojis and video and rambling channels and stuff, you will have to go elsewhere.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Sonobus

What a clever name!

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago
[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you go with anything using livekit (stoat/revolt , lasuite meet), voice is not very hard per se (just a bunch of udp ports required).

It's video that will get your CPU to its knees

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just can't get over the name change from Revolt to Stoat, but at least a stoat is cute AF.

[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Cease and desisted, but yeah it's sad (and annoying code-wise because you have to rename everything)

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget about teamspeak!

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
IP Internet Protocol
NAT Network Address Translation
TCP Transmission Control Protocol, most often over IP
UDP User Datagram Protocol, for real-time communications

3 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 5 acronyms.

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[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[–] BigBolillo@mgtowlemmy.org 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Isn't TeamSpeak still a thing?

[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 17 points 1 day ago

Not FOSS or open source in any sense. You could still say it's self-hosted, but I suspect most people self-hosting care about this.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Yeah, from what I understand, standing up a Teamspeak server is pretty straightforward.

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[–] green_red_black@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago

So as mentioned we have both Mumble and Team Speak if you are looking for a self hosted VC.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's not, but the people who are asking are often not tech-savvy, and any amount of self-hosting will be hard for them

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Nothing is stopping it, it's just not particularly convenient because it's designed around the limitations of the phone system.

SIP could handle it all if you wanted though.

[–] aliceblossom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Since no one has mentioned it yet -

If you haven't tried setting Synapse up with the ansible playbook you should. It's almost push-button and has 1:1 voice calls by default. Setting up group voice from there is a bit challenging, but the playbook has a section for it as well if you're willing to try.

Edit: cookbook - > playbook

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't messed with Ansible in a bit. Do you mean playbook? Or is cookbook some other concept I haven't learned about yet?

[–] aliceblossom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Nope, youre right, playbook is the right term. Got it mixed up with chef.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

VDO Ninja is really nice. My friend self hosts it, and it didn’t seem that hard.

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