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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh fuck yes.

This guy gets it.

I hope this goes viral. It really is incredible.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw him live at an earlier event. He’s a fantastic speaker. 🔥🔥🔥wish he was NDP leader. He’s the left populist Canada needs.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hes totally got Jack Layton vibes, but more working class, like your neighbourhood peewee hockey coach that isn't a dick

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

We need him. I’m devastated he’s quitting politics.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I just saw this, and I'm fired up! We need more of this energy, every day.

[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Man, Charlie Angus has really been the man of moment here. He's doing the same speech all over this country, seen it in a bunch of places. I know that sounds like a criticism - how can he be genuine when he's repeating himself and refining the message? Isn't that just a stump speech?

But it's not. First of all, anyone who knows Charlie Angus' record knows this isn't new territory for him.

Second, the reason this feels so genuine is because it's how WE feel. We aren't being told what to think, we're having our feelings put into words right in front of us.

And finally, these lines aren't stupid slogans or focus group tested pablum. These are things I've heard other Canadians say to each other, things I've said, way before any political leader was saying it. He's speaking in plain and easy language, in the exact terms Canadians think about this.

Populism and patriotism are heady, dangerous drugs. So quickly, they can pour over into mob-mentality, anti-intellectualism and nationalism. We have to be careful, and we have to be smart. But right now, man, I am riding this high. Elbows up!

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 0 points 1 year ago

I appreciate that he also takes time to focus on a positive message. Democracy, diversity, all that. Populist movements that celebrate diversity are just not that scary to me.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh, I see this guy around and hear his speeches now and then. I don't really find his speaking points all that convincing, and some are not quite the 'win' that gets depicted.

Like saying we all support DEI is nice and all, but he acts like he doesn't even know what it is or why there are a lot of guys (typically) who are pissed off about it. Like I'm an older millennial, who has memories of being explicitly denied employment with the government because I didn't "Identify as an equity employment group" -- which is defined as any non-male or non-caucasian person (so no cis white guys were allowed to get past round 1 of the application for the jobs I was applying for). I was also asked, and stupidly/naively agreed, to step aside for scholarships/bursaries so that women could win the awards and pad my highschools stats - something that meant I had to work all through university, while those awards went to 1%er women who were too busy vacationing in their summer homes to even bother going to the award ceremonies. Our government literally releases a report about hitting its DEI hiring and promotion quotas -- it's less about finding the best person for a position, and more about determining the minimum requirements, and then shortlisting people based on race. It's not a meritocracy once implemented, even though its proponents like to claim as such. And from a white guys perspective, seeing a bunch of women and minorities in power, who block you from getting a job / benefits because there are.... too many white guys who have privilege... ain't gonna leave a positive perspective on the thing. Like imagine if everyone you interacted with was a white guy, and when you tried to work with them, they said "Nah man, too many women / minorities work here, go somewhere else" -- that'd feel like blatant discrimination, but when the races are reversed its celebrated as DEI.

There're very real, historical issues that some of us have with these programs and the way they're implemented. Similar story for being 'woke', and how adherence to some 'woke' principles means denying science/evidence -- Canada implementing legislation that makes it criminal to discuss non-scientific/subjective-based things, like blind adherence to a narrative about history, is an easy example. Rich old white guys pretending like its not an issue, aren't speaking to the "young" (under 50) disenfranchised male voters who've been negatively impacted by it on a personal level. Charlie/the left acting like it's "Support DEI or else you don't support Canada!" is nonsense. Politicians / white guys like Charlie, who did well and avoided all the negative stuff about these sorts of programs, aren't great spokespeople -- let's see some guys who have lived through the negatives of DEI up there supporting it, guys who've lost job opportunities / career paths due to its implementation and their gender/race, doubt you'll find too many who'd cheer it on. Like bring out Erin Weir, the guy who Jagmeet Singh kicked outta the NDP due to an unfounded accusation of misconduct -- when investigated, the most they found was that he raised his voice when talking about the carbon tax, and that he stood a bit too close in the elevator sometimes. Get him to explain how his getting kicked out for BS reasons is actually "good" and "Canadian".

The liberals will likely win this round, but its more because of anti-american sentiment, than a sudden embracing of this sort of nonsense -- sorta like ford riding a patriotic wave back into office, despite his policies / history. If the left/progressives don't pay attention to these sorts of concerns, things'll just fester. Asking men to vote against their interests didn't work in the USA. Some areas in the states have realised this and are trying to do better -- NBC just had a piece highlighting whitmer and moore attempting to build more programs to support young men. Let's hope it doesn't take similar circumstances for the Canadian left to do better.