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[–] wraekscadu@vargar.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean yeah:

  • saves a crazy amount of money
  • one less thing to maintain and cause headaches
  • makes me bike, which keeps me healthy
  • better for the environment

I would only buy a car if I can use it as a means of production, i.e., uber.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

All excellent points, not to mention the money saved could actually mean early retirement.

20-40k in savings in a RRSP or TFSA not to mention the saving on gas and insurance is a huge advantage with compound interest.

MILLENIALS ARE RUINING THE CAR INDUSTRY BY USING CHEAPER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION!

Bruh we can't even afford to pay for food and shelter. Why the fuck would we go and splurge on a luxury like this?

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Apparently I can't read this without a subscription.

However as someone that lived more than 20 years car free in Quebec, I wish them good luck and lots of patience.

Living without a car in a city, town or village is easy but to me the biggest hurdle is intercity transit. Trying to visit my friends and family is an exercise in patience that often ends up with me telling myself that society really wants people to buy cars. In a way, it shows that young people don't want cars, because the buses are full of them, literally. The bus line that I use more frequently is saturated and there's people standing from the back to the door. Meanwhile there is a railway going parallel to this route with infrequent and underfunded commuter trains.

Every time I need to go in another city or town without a car and it's outside of my metropolitan area, I feel like nobody gives a fuck about transit and intercities. I feel like a second class citizen and after decades of being car free, I'm often thinking of giving up and drive a fucking car.

It's also getting worse with coaches. I can't go to places where I could go without a car 20 years ago because routes are cancelled. The town that I grew up in had passenger trains and coaches until the 90ies. Now there's nothing in a radius of 40 km.

The ministry of transportation from the current government in Quebec once said that it wasn't the responsibility of that ministry to offer public transit to the citizens.

The message from our provincial and federal governments is clear: get a car.

So to all the car free Canadians, thank you for your patience and sacrifice. Thank you for sometimes putting your life in danger by cycling or walking in places dominated by cars. Thank you for showing the example even if it's not always easy.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I got chu

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Travelling five times a year, maxing out her TFSA, building an emergency fund, and having the freedom to see her friends when and how she wants: Those are just a few ways Deeksha Singh said she can use the estimated $14,000 a year she saves by not owning a car.

Ms. Singh, 27, was once a regular driver before moving to Calgary from Cincinnati, Ohio. But faced with recalculating the cost of vehicle ownership, she reconsidered. “The insurance alone can go up to like $300 or over,” she said, referring to the monthly cost. “That was kind of ridiculous.”

Today, the finance worker said ditching a vehicle is one of her biggest savings hacks. And she’s not alone.

While vehicle ownership across the Canadian population has stayed relatively flat since last year, it’s declined 9 per cent among Canadians aged 25 to 34, according to a study published Wednesday by car rental marketplace Turo.

The survey, conducted by pollster Angus Reid, showed that 36 per cent of Gen Z Canadians don’t own a car compared with 15 per cent of the general population.

It’s the latest data showing car ownership among young Canadians is on the decline.

The share of new vehicle registrations by adults aged 18 to 34 fell from 12 per cent in the first quarter of 2021 to below 10 per cent in the first two quarters of 2025, according to data published last year by S&P Global. In contrast, those aged 55 and older now made up nearly half of all new registrations.

Teens also aren’t rushing to get their driver’s licence as soon as they turn 16 any more, with the average student at Young Drivers of Canada now older than 20.

“There’s more nuance than just saying, ‘Young people are cool and green, and therefore they’re never going to buy a car,’” said George Iny, president of the Automobile Protection Association.

As young Canadians face affordability issues and delay milestones that could lead to buying a vehicle, such as starting a family, the alternatives to getting from point A to point B are multiplying. This gives young Canadians the option to delay vehicle ownership for longer and save.

“What’s happening is it’s becoming more convenient and they’re doing other things longer,” Mr. Iny said. “The longer you can delay it – it’s good for your personal finances.”

The average price of a new vehicle hit a record high in 2023 at $66,288 – up 47 per cent over four years, according to AutoTrader. Though car ownership costs fell this year about 9 per cent overall, according to Turo, affordability for the youngest Canadians remains prohibitive.

The cost of a used vehicle, which first-time buyers tend to gravitate toward, spiked by 0.2 per cent year-over-year to $36,816 in February. The total monthly cost of owning a car this year hovered at about $1,373, Ratehub data showed – a slight increase year-over-year from $1,370.

Meanwhile, the latest estimates from Indeed position average Gen Z salaries at $1,400 a month, while the youth unemployment rate (for those 15 to 24) hit the highest rate since 2010, excluding the first years of the pandemic.

Most first-time buyers are rarely able to buy a car with just cash, Mr. Iny said, adding that higher interest rates from a few years ago have increased the costs of borrowing.

Before 2019, a three- or four-year-old off-lease vehicle could often be purchased at 40 to 50 per cent less than the price of a new one, Mr. Iny said. “Whereas today, that same car might be still at 75 per cent of its new value.”

First-time buyers who once would have bought a three- to five-year-old car are now faced with buying five- to eight-year-old vehicles with higher mileage because newer used cars are simply too close in price to new ones, Mr. Iny said.

Adding to the long list of growing expenses are insurance costs. Premiums in Ontario rose 18.9 per cent over the past five years alone, according to Statistics Canada figures.

For the Toyota RAV4 she was eyeing, Ms. Singh estimated car payments would set her back roughly $500 to $700 a month. Insurance would have cost her more than $200 a month, while Calgary’s wintry climate added further expenses.

“You have to have winter tires in the winter … parking alone can go up to like $200 to $300 here,” she said. (Calgary, not Toronto, has the most expensive parking in Canada.) In total, the costs would’ve amounted to 19 per cent of Ms. Singh’s monthly income as opposed to the 3 to 4 per cent she currently allocates to public transit and the $100 to $150 she splurges on Uber.

“The way I see it, money in a TFSA, RRSP, investments is growing whereas a car is a depreciating asset on which you pay interest,” she said. “It’s lose, lose financially.”

Beyond cost savings, young people shrugging off car ownership in large cities now have more alternatives to turn to.

Thirty-year-old Michaela Khan in Vancouver spends about $20 a year using the city’s bike-sharing service. For long-haul drives to get to workout classes in the rain or go skiing, she takes by-the-minute car-hailing services like Evo and by the hour ones like Modo, which cost under $15 a month. “So I’m not completely car-free,” she said.

But unlike Ms. Khan, Ms. Singh hopes delaying car ownership may help make it easier to purchase one down the line. “It would help me buy a car without a loan,” she said.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Thanks.

So it's mainly for costs and money. It's an entirely valid reason. What's a bit disappointing is that some are delaying the purchase of a car now to save money, but still want one eventually. It's still a good thing, but kind of still perpetuates car dependency on the long term.

I never owned a car but it's mainly because I don't want to drive a gas burning vehicle that can kill other people around me. I wouldn't drive one if they were electric and free, unless they're the size of a golf cart.

The financial side is obviously a plus. It allows me to spend more on housing, because it's important to live in a place with services nearby.

It's also keeping me somewhat fit. I can walk a few km, or can easily cycle a few dozen km. And I'm just mentioning the environment but it's obviously better for it if we avoid using cars.

Yet as mentioned in my previous comment, it often feels like society is pressuring me and people without cars to join the trafic and the race to find parking. Like the vibe of the article, everyone with a car around me tells me that one day I'll have no choice but to give up and get one. It's just a matter of time and inevitable. Some have told me I'm not even a real adult as long as I don't have a car.

[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the physical actively is the least tiring part about a car-free lifestyle, ironically.

I visited some family for Christmas using the train, and man, it was great to sip on some cream liqueur on the way there, with only a single bus and a short walk to reach the final stretch. Yeah, it sucks, you can't stay out late unless you have plans for staying the night. Job in another city to bumfuck nowhere with no transit options? Oh well, guess they don't need me.

[–] cenotaph@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago

It do be tiring

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I live in the USA and I am 46 years old. I owned a car for a brief 3 year period when I moved away from NY to Dallas, TX. (The public transit there was abysmal, and the roads were way more dangerous for riding a bike than they were in NY.) The rest of the time it's been nothing but bicycles.

In 2000 I bought a brand new bike, spent $1400 on it and had it for 23 years until it was stolen. At the time, when I bought it, I was making 26K a year. I paid cash; that was what was within my means to own something without having to pay extra for it through a loan. In 2023 I bought a new (electric) bike, paid $1000 cash, no loan. I make 55K now. That’s what was within my means to own something outright, without having to pay a middle man for the privilege of borrowing money. No car loan hanging over my head, no worries about gas prices, or paying insurance and registration for the privilege to drive. The most I spend on transit is $65 a month during the worst weather month, (Feb,) in the winter. Other months is usually $13-26 when I am mostly riding the bike everywhere.

As a 20 something year old growing up in NYC, cars were unaffordable in 2000, and they are even more unaffordable now in 2026 for me as a 46 year old. Between the insurance, registration, inspections, fluctuations in gas prices, a loan payment, along with being responsible for repairs if something goes wrong and be stranded to boot, I'd be living in my car because I wouldn't be able to afford rent.

The entire automobile industry is death to us by 1000 cuts. Cities have been built around cars, instead of being built around the needs of people. I refuse to fucking participate in it. I'll be cycling until the day I die.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you get your license anyway and live in a decent sized city, you can get a Communauto/Evo/Modo/carshare membership and use the car in those occasional times you need to go far away, insurance included. It's far less of a cost.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Welp....we let private insurance battle in the free market in Ontario and basic liability under 25,no comp, no collision is $5-6000/yr. Lot of money for fuck all.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's weird not sure what is happening but the younger Millennials didn't care about driving to much, Gen z doesn't really care. But my god all the gen Alphas I know can't wait to drive and are just waiting for their learners.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

Get a car or get an education. They cost the same except an education doesn't break and rust in 5 years.