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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 94 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Speaking of disservice to kids in school, I recently learned about the "Three-Cuing" system and how it is basically making kids less literate by having them simply guess the meaning of things they don't understand instead of teaching how to read context, subtext, and use critical thinking skills or basic phonics.. It kinda pissed me off. Especislly since I had already been noticing a trend of young people online putting words into others' mouths or defining words wildly differently than the norm and misunderstanding the entire thing they just read.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I heard about this too, and it's so insane.

I saw an article recently about Mississippi (and/or Alabama?) 4th graders beating out California and New York on reading, and many were crediting that the state mandated phonics over this "take a guess" nonsense.

[–] tenacious_mucus@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Am I reading this correctly? MS (and/or AL) having a better reading education system than CA & NY with this?? Wow.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes! MS went from 49th to 9th in like 10 years. Most people are crediting it to phonics and their willingness to hold students back if they don't learn the material.

[–] FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Something about holding students back seems like it might artificially inflate numbers. Like, if they administer a test in 4th grade while keeping the kids who are struggling in 3rd grade, well only the kids who made it to 4th grade are taking the test.

I'm likely wrong.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I mean, thats the point. If the student is not smart enough for the 4th grade, they get held back to try again. They are not 4th graders even if their age suggests they are.

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[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I'm likely wrong.

I dont think you are. Having higher requirements for 4th grade definitely bumps the results up, question is by how much? Not that many students are held back, no idea how much they would contribute to the statistic

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[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

... Suddenly I think I understand why a some things with very specific meanings are getting redefined by younger folks who call you names if you don't accept their new definition.

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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Your logic is very aesthetic.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

“Three-Cuing” system

Huh. Apparently Georgia banned it last year, with a bipartisan bill that my (D) state senator co-sponsored. A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one!

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can I have 50% of my salary for doing 0% of my work?

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

False. They get much more than 50%.

[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And they work hard, it's not easy thinking of bigger numbers every month /s

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

After following a friend who joined XHS after the initial tiktok ban a year or so ago, I started to notice this trend of Chinese people calling American education "happy education" and I bristled a bit because I didn't find it all that happy. But as I see more and more people point out things like this, how the No Child Left Behind policy was implemented, how resources are diverted away from actually educating children... I kinda get it.

To be fair, I think the Chinese also have a biased lens here since their school days are like twelve hours long, I'm sure 7 AM to 3 PM seems more like daycare in comparison. But I think there's some truth in the mockery.

This doesn't apply to doctoral programs which really just seem like abuse and trauma factories. I don't know a single happy, well adjusted doctor.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

China kills themselves for schooling and does as well as Americans in business and science so it's hard to see one being better than the other.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

We should just keep trying systems that push everything to the absolute extremes. It’s worked out for every other fallen civilization. Why should we be any different?

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is by design. MAGA wants kids to be stupid, only stupid people vote MAGA.

"I love the poorly educated" DJT

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

COVID fucked up my kids education so badly they are still trying to catch up. They were in 3rd and 4th grade in 2020, so they lost those prime reading comprehension lessons. But at the same time the schools failed to catch the students up and now they are struggling and instead of helping them they just push them along and pass the buck to the next grade.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If your kids are fucked up so badly that they can't handle the next grade then they shouldn't be in the next grade. Who cares if they graduate high school at 18, 19, or 20? None of that matters anymore. But you got to be right for your own kids and hold them back if they need to be held back. If you think the school is doing the wrong thing then you got to step in. Don't just let it happen and complain on the internet.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is infuriating seeing Parents complain that schools are simultaneously doing too much, and too little for children. Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

It reminds me of another thread on here from weeks ago where someone made a meme about ignoring their kids when they talk about their interests. What the heck? Why did you have kids just to ignore them?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

When people stop understanding child care and education is everyone's job societies collapse

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I'm really sorry to hear that. I think a lot of parents are in the same boat, and we're going to see the effects of it for years.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

This would've been a godsend to me tbh. I was really bad about completing buzywork homework assignments but I paid attention in class and already understood the material. In high school I'd ace every test and wind up with a C or worse because of the number of missing assignments, it wasn't even intentional, I just frequently forgot about them because they weren't interesting and probably because of some kind of undiagnosed neurodivergence. Of course, there are also kids who might struggle to complete assignments due to complicated home lives.

I don't think making an incomplete count as a 50 is really making grades meaningless. A 50 is still going to hurt you, it just doesn't drag your grade into oblivion. If a student gets 100 on three assignments and misses a fourth, is a grade of 75 really the most accurate representation of how well they understand the material? Counting the incomplete as a 50 would make that an 87.

Sprinkling in zeros can really drag your grade down and can make it feel like your grade doesn't really have much to do with your understanding of the material, and has more to do with being willing and able to work outside of school hours (or to just copy down answers from a friend five minutes before class, which I also didn't do).

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Rather than giving students points for not doing assignments why not just not have busywork assignments. Just make the grades an even 50% tests and 50% large projects unless the student needs their busywork graded.

I was in the same situation as you (except I did wind up diagnosed with ADHD in my 20s). I aced all my tests and never did homework so was constantly on the verge of failing classes. I always hated having to do the same repetitive memorization busy work when I already knew the info. The best teacher I had in highshool had a rule where they would only ever grade your homework if doing so would improve your overall grade. So because I did well on the tests, in class work, and biger projects I never had to actually do any homework. It's the only class I ever scored over 100% in because I aced every test and did one extra credit project. Why the hell should anyone have to waste their time doing pointless busywork and waste their teachers time grading that pointless busywork when it isn't benefitting their learning in any way. If the student doesn't need it then just skip it. The only reason I can see for it is to desensitize students to doing pointless busywork jobs but we should be eliminating those jobs not conditioning the next generation for them.

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think the whole idea of grading kids like they're show dogs is pretty gross in the first place. "Welcome to the world, kiddo, the first thing you need to learn is that we're here to judge you, and if you don't bark on command you will be deemed to be a failure."

Fuck that shit.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, it's sort of preparing them for the real world.

Once they finish school it's not like people won't immediately start judging them and labelling them as failures if they can't compete / keep up.

If you don't change society before changing the school system you aren't really doing the kids any favours by sheltering them.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago

School is the real world. It's just their world, not yours. It's where they spend a huge fraction of their day and year. School needs to be a livable place regardless of what comes after. "Preparation" if necessary at all, can come at the end or be taught explicitly instead of implicitly.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

currently have a stack of students' academic records on my desk, the state of grading in the U.S. is just insane. I hate GPA with a burning passion. Very talented kids burn themselves out over a number that might as well be set arbitrarily, because schools do some very fucky math to inflate their numbers, and they all seem to do the math differently. Why do they do this math? Well, it's because they're allergic to giving out grades lower than a C, so their entire scale would cease to function if they didn't heavily weight different classes over others. It's like a tower of self-caused problems.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It really should be more standardized, or else schools are just going to find reasons to cook their books.

Remember last year when San Francisco schools were going to adjust their grading scales so much that they could pass students with a D if they scored as low as a 21? Pure insanity. (They fortunately received a lot of backlash and reverted the change)

https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public-schools-equity-homework-2078003

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[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Had a test graded on a curve in college. Actual score divided by two then add fifty. There were absolutely people that got a fifty. You’d think by dumb luck you’d get at least one right. It was multiple choice.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Actual conversation I had with an admin after I graded ab exam with 70/100 after a student made 2 big and 2 small mistakes on an exam

You have to grade her exam 100

But she made a bunch of mistakes

She wants the grading 100 or she'll leave

But then what is the point of grading?

The grading doesn't matter, of they pay, they get each grade 100/100

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[–] chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Problem is that the school-to-prison pipeline is a very real thing and kids that are held back or don't finish school are far more likely to end up in prison than those that finish. The way school systems work in most of the US, the differences in outcomes for those with and without a high school diploma are stark and depressing. Finishing is as important as the education itself.

Read: End of Policing - Alex S. Vitale

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I sympathize with this.

As a kid, I'd do the homework, put it in my backpack (thanks to my Mom), yet I'd completely forget to turn it in, despite the whole class getting up to do it, and get a 0%. Turning it in later for ~50% (thanks to sympathetic and confused teachers) saved my butt.

...And yes, I'm definitely neurodivergent.

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So if you didn't study and you're confident you'll get less than 50%, it's better to not show up at all than to attempt the test?

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

Now ask, what a student should get, who did their assignment but only got 30%!

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Personally, I think a UBI-based society can do education better. Everyone should receive a UBI income by default, but working a job or being educated will replace the UBI with a larger amount of money. Grades for learning boosts income based on how good they are. An S-Grade student gets twice of what UBI brings in. 'Real' jobs start at twice the value of the S-grade student.

This means that students can go to college and get paid for it. While the prospect of the workplace can be alluring in a fiscal sense, a college student can stay in college for as long as they need to git good, to be fulfilled, or simply to pass time while waiting for a decent job opening. They aren't held hostage by debts.

Kids also get paid for their grades. This encourages them to learn, because there are material rewards for doing so.

IMO, fiscal responsibility is a skill that is learned, and in America, we don't teach kids how to handle money. Instead, they get the bulk of their fiscal learning when it is almost time to be kicked out of the nest. Which is dumb.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ok but if the government is spending all that money on its own citizens then how are they going to fund their hobby of blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?

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[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

I long for a society where education, housing, medical care and food are structured for the people instead of the profit. Where education helps sort people into the work they're suited for. Where housing is something no one does without. Where medical care is fully free. Where food is food instead of fillers, nutrition instead of chemical design, and feeds people over profit.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The purpose of a class is to instill a specific set of knowledge and skills.

The purpose of an assignment is to provide the student with sufficient pressure to study the expected knowledge, and practice the expected skills. The assignment is the pressure to learn; it is not evidence of learning.

To the student who has achieved mastery of that knowledge and skillset prior to completing the class, an assignment has no valid purpose. For such a student, the assignment is busywork, and serves only to distract the student from further study.

If your grading style does not allow for a student to demonstrate mastery and refuse busywork assignments, your grading is a problem.

A student with test scores equal or better than the class average does not deserve to fail your class for having refused assignments.

A student who ritualistically completes all of their homework assignments with excellent marks, but is entirely unable to pass a test on the subject matter, is a student who has failed your class.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I grew up in an era when they didn't pass kids to get rid of them. This is why I had a friend in the 8th grade who had two kids.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, sorry, actually teachers have always done that occasionally. It's just that now administrators are forcing it to be done in bulk.

The other thing is grade inflation. A D is passing, right? But many bosses pressure you to give your worst students Bs. And that has definitely gotten worse, too.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I had a math teacher that would assign 100+ long division problems every night and then give you a 0 if you skipped more than 3 of them.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's horrible. Especially since I guarantee you and everyone else in that class had it down after the first 50 problems.

It astounds me how many teachers honestly think that teaching/learning is about drills, rote memorization, and slavishly grinding away to get results. While I have no doubt that some people absolutely need to do this in order to get things to stick, I think it under-estimates the intelligence of most kids in the classroom. I would argue it's not exactly learning and more like programming.

For instance, I can recall "the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" like some kind of Manchurian Candidate sleeper-agent. But that tells me nothing about how that organelle metabolizes ATP to fuel other activities, what happens when it breaks down, and so on. Memorization and drills are great for algorithms, formulas, and basic foundational things. But the real learning happens in other ways.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Grades have always been meaningless.

People who believe in meritocracy and all that bullshit are just too privileged to notice.

edit: I didn't even realize this was "white people twitter" but makes sense 100%.

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