My other biggest gripe: what happens to business computer users at the office? What about their admins? How much extra work is this going to create???
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No worries, all this IT stuff is going away with the banning of VPNs
Enterprise and SMB always have practical workarounds that consumers do not need to deal with.
The only way to create a local user account on windows 11 now without fuckery is pretending you are going to domain join. No other method exists without under the hood tweaks. A similar workaround would work.
But none of this actually protects kids. The goal is to have total surveillance over as many users as possible in their home life. Enterprise is already handled by m365 and google workspace after all.
The only way to create a local user account on windows 11 now without fuckery is pretending you are going to domain join. No other method exists without under the hood tweaks. A similar workaround would work.
Depending on your definition of “under the hood”, this isn’t really accurate. You can invoke CMD to create an account or enter Audit mode to do the same. Neither of these methods require preparation of separate installation media.
Yes, invoking a command prompt to enter a command is under the hood for most users.
I work in IT, I know all the tricks. I also know how users tend to behave. Anyone who is tech savvy can figure out the ins and outs and get around all manner of things. If you just follow what you can click on screen and stick strictly to GUI and zero customized OOBE tweaks you have no other option as-is with vanilla w10 other than an online account setup with microsoft.
I consider shift +f10 to open a command prompt and using that bypassnro command as under the hood because how do you even know how to do that without googling? That isn't included on any instructions with the device. Most users are going to open up the box from the store, plug it in, and hit the power button. Then they'll click through the prompts.
I was mostly stuck on the “the only way” part of your comment. In terms of accessibility, I don’t know that the domain method would really be any better - not to mention that it’s limited to Pro/Enterprise Windows editions that most consumers aren’t getting.
The audit mode path is more GUI friendly but, similar to the Domain option, still requires pre-existing knowledge or web search.
Here’s hoping Microsoft actually follows through on loosening this restriction, even though I largely hold the position that basic users’ security benefits from the MS Account setup.
Can't you only join a domain on the Pro versions of Windows, too?
Ohhh trust me I know it's all about surveillance. I'm just meaning they're going to negatively impact everyone everywhere without a second thought because they'll get what they want in the end. Either more money or more reelections
But I don't use windows 11, still using a local account just fine.
I use CachyOS, but for the vanilla home user "I bought a laptop!" at bestbuy or whatever the fuck, there's no local account option anymore. It's connect to the internet and sign in with microsoft, and nag you constantly every 3 days until you activate onedrive and other microsoft services.
I got an ARM64 laptop through work to test to see how it might work as an experiment and this has been how the device behaves from day 1. It's a nightmare.
Does windows no longer let you use a PC without the internet? I don't normally buy PCs with an OS and install my own on them.
As far as I know an internet connection is required on a vanilla OOBE setup of windows 11 with today's iso or a dell/hp/lenovo preload.
Most user systems ship with W11 Home licenses, no pro, so they don't even have a domain join option.
It is of course technically possible to install w11 without any internet connection and without a windows license at all, but I think of instructions like "To install Windows 11 without internet connection and using local account, in the OOBE using Shift + F10 and run the OOBEBYPASSNRO command." to be beyond the capabilities of the lowest common denominator of home users, e.g. the majority of them.
This basically makes using VPNs for privacy useless. Now they will have a record of every IP address you ever used. They can also use local laws internationally. Like if your state has age verification or bans certain sites, they can just use your ID to ban those websites or apps even if you aren't in the country.
This is horribly bad...
Can someone ELI5 this for me please? I'm clearly not getting what's going on
Nazis want total control of all systems, so they created this bait law to make your use of computers illegal.
State-level bills have heretofore only required OSes to ask a user if they are of majority age. A federal bill is likely (based on the groups backing and who proposed it) to require OSes to validate (i.e. have users prove, not just assert) their ages.
Depending on what mechanisms are mandated, and who they target punishment at, it could lock 99% of users (who are not willing or capable to use means to bypass this) into tying all their actions online to a government-run database.
It's not enough that means to bypass it exist; the government shouldn't be able to mandate this kind of control, and shouldn't be propagating the expectation that this behavior and level of control is normal or acceptable.
I guess what I'm asking for is an ELI5 of the mechanisms involved, which I figured were understood from the comments.
I already understand that not everyone can bypass something like this, in fact it's likely I couldn't either. We also agree that nobody should in the first place. I see anonymity as a right
This bill, if passed, will force operating systems to verify the age of the user. This means the verification uses a government issued ID.
It's the mechanism apparently being impossible to be cheated on what I don't understand. Or maybe I'm just hopelessly confused.
I should have replied under the post instead of under your comment, but it was your comment the one triggering the oh wait what moment for me, sorry. Don't feel like you have to give me an answer if I'm not making any sense
No worries man.
This is just a guess but with open source operating systems, it can and will probably be bypassed. I'm sure people will make forks without verification.
With closed source, probably not the most updated ones.
Palantir wants*
I would have guessed Meta, Zuckerberg paid the most to get the bill in California passed.