Why would they be? Clearly no one cares about privacy, and they can sell your information to make money.
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Nearly all are run by companies making money by recording as much of your data as possible.
A commercial cloud app could be entirely private but then the company would not be able to take your data.
There is no real technical reason. They could be. It's just a matter of encryption while in transit and no logs. Proton does it.
The real reason most aren't, is that there's not much incentive to make them private. The data has potential value, so why not hold on to it.
Proton allegedly does it.
It's all just advertising, until you get the hard evidence.
Most modern legal systems today presume innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
Proton is structured entirely unlike any other tech company. It would be against their own self interests to lie about their privacy claims. Their entire reputation is built on it. Any leak would destroy them.
Most modern legal systems today presume innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
That's because guilty people in the legal system get put in cages.
welcome to the real world, where corporations lie.
Not the real world. Just your imagination.
Corporations lie for profit. Where's the profit for Proton in keeping peoples AI queries, when they've been proven to not keep any other data? Literally they have nothing to gain, and everything to loose.
Skepticism and pessimism aren't the same thing. And baseless pessimism is just jaded. Jaded is the dark equivalent of naivety. They're both equally simplistic ignorance.
there has been in the news several instances where proton has given to law enforcements information that have hold onto. in some cases regarding journalists.
their answer is always "ah, yeah. we do keep that one, but not the other data"
before you ask...an example https://privacyradar.com/news/privacy/proton-mail-payment-data-stop-cop-city-activist-identified/
Of course they have to keep some basic account data. And I think the last IP you logged in from. Also email data outside the BODY can't be encrypted. That's just how email works. So law enforcement can get all of that if they convince a Swiss court to order Proton.
But no they don't keep or turn over anything that isn't technically required for the service to work. I don't know what you'd expect.
can you link me your source about Proton being "proven to not keep any other data"?
All the various 3rd party audits can be found here.
Can you give me to a link to your source they're lying about it?
have you ever checked them?
could you point me to where any of them proves that Proton isn't actually collecting any data?
because I am only reading about penetration tests and such, which only tell me that their software is reliable against attackers, but that is not the point of the discussion.
also it seems there is no audit for their AI assistant at the link you provided.
No, I haven't felt the need.
Again, do you have any links with evidence to the contrary?
then why did you link them?
anyway, the point here is that they are the ones making claims, so they have the burden of proof.
as I told you already, corporations lie to their customers all the time, so it is always better to be safe and wait for the actual proof before trusting any of them.
You're not saying "I don't know". If you assume they're lying, you're also making a claim. One you can't back up in this case.
And another place your confused, Proton isn't a typical corporate structure. It's owned by a non-profit, almost charity, effectively. One who's board of trustees is entirely scientists and engineers. Assuming they'll operate the same way a publicly traded corporation would is a big category error.
i don't assume they are lying, I simply don't blindly believe their advertising claims without tangible evidence.
for example your claim of "no logging" is at best partially false, since their own privacy policy clearly states that IP addresses are at least temporarily collected, always and without exceptions.
who is the owner and how the company is funded is not important here, they are selling products and advertising them through claims that need verification.
"The cloud" is just somebody else's computer.