Anyone think that's not the point?
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"Age Verification" is just them attaching "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to their push to have every single bit of information about every person on the planet.
All the more ironic when you realise that some of the big businessmen and lobbyists pushing for mandatory age verification checks are in the Epstein Files. Basically the kind of people who you don't want to be thinking of the children...
Social media functions as a kind of gatekeeper for public interactions, not unlike credit scores, driver's licenses, and college degrees. The absence of a presence on social media is not only socially debilitating (you're cut out of the information stream for local events and public amenities) but a red-flag for college recruiters and employers. It's much like how not using a credit card regularly in your teens/20s impacts your ability to access low-interest lending in your 30s/40s. Or not having a driver's license interferes with your right to vote.
State officials have been searching for a kind of uniform, iron-clad, easily verifiable public ID for ages. Linking your online presence (a thing that you need for a myriad of daily tasks) to your ID becomes a pathway to this goal. Universal, non-transferable digital ID becomes a wicked two-edged sword as it both exhaustively tracks the "documented" individuals and neatly severs the "undocumented" from society.
Make social media unprofitable instead of this.
Basically don't allow ads for kids and only show social media posts from their friends in chronological order instead of any fancy algorithm. Also make them liable for showing scams to minors. That kills most profit.
Kill it from the other direction. Make it illegal to algorithmically adjust a users experience to prioritize interaction regardless of whether that's positive or negative. Ultimately that's the problem with places like Facebook, they weigh an angry rant the same as a positive one, higher even in a lot of cases. Things that make people angry generate a lot more interaction than positive things so it drowns people in hate and fear. If you treat any interaction as a positive signal things just devolve.
Great, now how do you tell who's an adult?
They'll just implement age verification anyway.
Or nobody verifies their age because it's a hassle, social networks become unprofitable and die.
This whole conversation is such a false dichotomy. The laws can absolutely be written such that companies are required to suspend service to any suspected child without requiring ID to use the service.
But just like pollution and everything else we've let them push the buck to us.
The problem is that politicians don't want to legislate enforcement/oversight entities as those would piss off their owners.
Democracies need to replace their lame duck politicians with ones that aren't bought and owned by the shareholder class who also own the social media corporations.
The laws can absolutely be written such that companies are required to suspend service to any suspected child without requiring ID to use the service.
The laws shouldn't focus on "harming children" so much, but on "harming humans".
The big tech companies should be held responsible for the actual damage they are inflicting upon society, and their methods to artificially inflate "engagement" (or whatever the hell they call it) should be held to scrutiny. Whether or not the damage is inflicted upon an underage person or an adult, is merely a distraction.
Those assholes would love it if we all had to identify ourselves and prove our age, if it means they get to keep inflicting their shit upon us.
Clearly this man is a genius.
Anyone who could not see that Trump was going to extort business for his own personal gain was clueless to Trump and his cabinet of blackmailers.
Anyone of color giving support to White Nationalists is fucking insane and shows a complete lack of understanding of current US politics.
The nightmare trap of the Two Party System is that you can look at one party cozying up to Big Tech (Obama in 2009) and conclude the other party must be reflexively in opposition.
Trump was fully surrounded by Thiel goons before he'd even left office in '21. And the relationship only got tighter with his Elon Musk Bromance. But hey, if you'd just elected Kamala Harris and ~~Liz Cheney~~ Tim Walz to the White House, I'm sure nobody would be talking about how much of their cabinet was stuffed with Silicon Valley cutouts.
It's not like a cartel of trillionaires can buy up both parties at once, right?
Is there anything stopping me from uploading an ID for Shrek or something? I foresee an explosion of popularity of fake IDs.
I mean, I've got boxes full of physical books and self hosted movies and Tv. At that point, I'll just stop using the internet. I need to go outside more anyway.
Finally all my friends that been giving me shit about having a dvd collection can eat shit.
I put my 500+ collection of DVDs into several of those old CD storage sleeves cases you used to see back in the 90s. They are safe and sound, ready for when things go too far.
Disc rot is still a thing. Warner Bros DVDs produced between 2005 and 2009 are especially affected.
Mine are ready to go at a moment notice 🙌
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The next step will be to make more essential services online only, so people have to use the internet.
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https://proton.me/blog/anonymity-vs-privacy
These guys are such clowns. They stop just short of saying anonymity is bad by saying things like you can't use your logging if you anonymously log in (duh) and bizarrely you may be more secure without it.
"A good example of this is Proton Mail‘s optional authentication logs feature. Enabling this prevents you from logging into your account anonymously, but it improves your security by allowing you to detect suspicious logins (for example, a login from another country).
For most people, privacy is a great deal more important than anonymity'
They won't provide it with their own service and instead push it onto the user. For instance, most recently they have been known to log credit card data. A company really concerned with security would not store this data on their own servers and there are practical ways to accomplish this.
This company makes its money on security theatre. I swear they are a honeypot for criminals actors and they know it hence why they downplay anonymity.
I'd be ok with age verification if it can be done in an anonyomous way.
Nym's coconut credentials could do this.
https://constructiveproof.com/posts/2020-03-24-nym-credentials-overview/
Of course the people pushing for this won't try to do it that way because protecting the children isn't really their motive. Surveillance is and something like coconut creds would render that moot.
I’d be ok with age verification if it can be done in an anonyomous way
People lost their shit over a local API with an easily fake-able age bracket.
The problem with hyperventilating over everything, is that there is no benefit to even trying to write reasonable laws as they get painted dishonestly anyway.
He has a vested interest in saying that, but he's right, and it would be awful
It's interesting what people expect of Proton Mail. I've used it for a long time but for only one reason really: their revenue stream is my subscription and not ads. I've never even given a second thought to all their encryption claims. Even with Proton Mail if I ever wanted to send a "secret" email I'd wrap the content in my own personal keys.
With respect to IP addresses of email logins, I'm surprised they ever claimed they don't have logs. You've always been able to review the IP of a login through the web UI as far as I remember. Was the idea that that was also supposed to be encrypted?
Personally I'm OK with them complying with court orders, but I understand that "the definition of criminal is state defined" and that poses serious issues. It kinda seems like if you want to do something that could be considered criminal at some point in your life by your country you should consider something other than a 3rd party email provider for those messages. Signal would be a step up in that regard if you still wanted to use a third party.
It's interesting what people expect of Proton Mail.
It's quite mundane actually: people expect what they advertise on their front page.
Their advertising is a stretch at the best of times, and (as seen on my first link) so terrible that it needs to be removed at other times.
Lol, ok, fair.
I guess I see a lot of wiggle room in the marketing speak of their page and I haven't actually "looked in to" Proton Mail's claims in a loooong time. So I guess what I really wanted to say is that it's interesting to me that people take that marketing at face value if they're actually trying to maintain secrecy. I've always just taken it as a given that third party services aren't particularly good at that, especially as they grow in complexity like Proton has. Signal has been easier for me to believe because of the singular focus and the reputation of the founder in the crypto community; although I guess he's long gone.
They have to comply with court orders. You can't run a business and ignore the government and legal system; they will throw the book at you.
Don't use proton to do anything that could be considered a crime in the EU.
This sounds like something you should take up with Proton's marketing: "Outside of US and EU jurisdiction"
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