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Online threats to children are real, but the headlong pursuit of age verification that we’re seeing around the world is unacceptable in its approach and far too broad in scope — and we simply can’t afford to get this wrong.

To be clear, parents’ concerns are valid and sincere. Few people would argue that kids should have unfettered access to adult material, to self-harm how-tos, to social media platforms that manipulate them and expose them to abuse.

But it’s the very depth of those worries that is being cynically exploited. Age verification as is currently being proposed in country after country would mean the death of anonymity online.

And we know exactly who stands to gain: The same tech giants who built the privacy nightmare that the internet is today.

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[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

Is there anything stopping me from uploading an ID for Shrek or something? I foresee an explosion of popularity of fake IDs.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 21 points 5 hours ago

That's quite obviously the end goal here.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

https://proton.me/blog/anonymity-vs-privacy

These guys are such clowns. They stop just short of saying anonymity is bad by saying things like you can't use your logging if you anonymously log in (duh) and bizarrely you may be more secure without it.

"A good example of this is Proton Mail‘s optional authentication logs feature. Enabling this prevents you from logging into your account anonymously, but it improves your security by allowing you to detect suspicious logins (for example, a login from another country).

For most people, privacy is a great deal more important than anonymity'

They won't provide it with their own service and instead push it onto the user. For instance, most recently they have been known to log credit card data. A company really concerned with security would not store this data on their own servers and there are practical ways to accomplish this.

This company makes its money on security theatre. I swear they are a honeypot for criminals actors and they know it hence why they downplay anonymity.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'd be ok with age verification if it can be done in an anonyomous way.

Nym's coconut credentials could do this.

https://constructiveproof.com/posts/2020-03-24-nym-credentials-overview/

Of course the people pushing for this won't try to do it that way because protecting the children isn't really their motive. Surveillance is and something like coconut creds would render that moot.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

I’d be ok with age verification if it can be done in an anonyomous way

People lost their shit over a local API with an easily fake-able age bracket.

The problem with hyperventilating over everything, is that there is no benefit to even trying to write reasonable laws as they get painted dishonestly anyway.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 19 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Can we make a new internet?

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 25 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, have a look at reticulum. No centralized addressing authority. No centralized domain naming system. Everything is globally routeable. It also just got support for transferring HTTP with RServer and MeshBrowser.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I always figured we would go to tor when this day came. But I keep seeing people mention all of these alternatives I have not heard of. Is this reticulum better?

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[–] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 hours ago

There's i2p and freenet as far as I am aware

[–] gajahmada@awful.systems 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, we ( you guys ) should fork the internet.

There's Meshtastic and the like ( I think ) but then again what we'll build there? Another fediverse ? I don't see the difference with what I have now.

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[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 8 points 4 hours ago

People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin

His earlier words did not age well

[–] west2seven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

This moron is also a MAGA appologist and enabler. I left Proton for other alternatives. They want to claim they are "politically nuetral" well if you really were you wouldnt be commenting at all on politics would you?

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 hours ago

Only idiots want politically neutral, anyways. I want clear biases for the people open and free forms of communication. That’s HIGHLY political.

Politically neutral supports fascism, always.

[–] coalie@piefed.zip 11 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I must have missed a bunch. I only recall him saying he liked trumps pick for one role.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If you would have read past that part in the same post you could have read that he also thinks republicans are sticking up for the little guy and the democrats are in bed with big tech. After that he also never said anything to the contrary. I also use his product and I wish he were a better guy too, but he said what he said and stuck with it.

So yes, you are either misinformed by not reading past the first few words of his post or disingenuous by purposely leaving out the rest.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

Dark web 2.0, here we come!

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 12 points 5 hours ago

Stating the obvious.

META was a major lobbyist for all of the state bills we’ve seen so far. There’s probably more. Or META is taking the lead because most hate them already, which provides a nice distraction from anyone else involved.

Tech and data centers want our data. What better way for a complete data set is there? I’m sure Palantir is in there somewhere.

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 6 points 5 hours ago

i've been wanting to quit internet anyway...

[–] artifex@piefed.social 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 14 points 6 hours ago

Moreso. It can always get worse, and indeed everything is.

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