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[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 99 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It’s not about role modeling. It’s about learning and attention spans.

[–] ivan@piefed.social 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but explain that to the children, especially young ones.

I do teaching, and when I set rules about not using phones during class - I put mine to the pile too. You can present the most compelling argument ever, but there's a much higher chance it's gonna reach fifth graders if you actually practice what you preach, and show the example of self-discipline, otherwise it will feel dishonest or unfair to kids, because they're kids.

[–] imahappyguy@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

With that in mind, take them from the adults too lol. I know some adults who are chronically online

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The adults already have a job. They’re fine.

The students can’t even read anymore because they’re dumb as rocks.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 11 points 3 days ago

Same with adults. lol

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 88 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's nothing new about children and adults being treated differently.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Their brains are literally not fully developed. Some facets of life they're literally ill-equipped to handle and policies should reflect that.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sure, we give the kids alcohol, let them drive, let them vote- wait we don't!? What do you mean there's always been these kinds of differences!?

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I wonder if some of those critics are by an odd coincidence funded by phone related entities.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (16 children)

There's ample evidence that social media and smartphone addiction affects developing brains significantly worse than it affects fully-developed brains.

Banning cell phone use in school is a good thing.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Critics don't want to hear that young people whose brains aren't fully developed yet have poorer impulse control than adults...

But young people whose brains aren't fully developed yet have poorer impulse control than adults.

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm always confused by this as "back in my day" teachers would just take our devices away if they were chasing distractions.

Then again that was back in the 2000s before smart phones and wifi everywhere.

Young people are kinda cooked I guess. Between nic vapes and brainrot they are in for a rough time.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really shouldn't be a ban. Just have teachers do what they always do take away the distraction and return it at end of class.

The second a fucking cell phone ban in schools hit at a legal level. Its just going to fucking evolve into regulations and bans around cell phone use for us plebians at work. Which will then be used to punish and attack people.

Bans for kids rarely stay that way.

Alot of company's have cell phone rules btw, my mom works in a factory, they can't use their devices other than during breaks. They can write you up and fire you as long as there's written rules and shit.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Same, we had texting and snake, but if the teacher saw you doing either (aside from maybe shop class) they would confiscate it til the end of class.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Young people are kinda cooked I guess.

Always have been.

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Texan here, working for a school district where these types of laws have already been implemented: I'm pretty sure it's about controlling narratives, not improving education.

Kids use their phones to fact-check teachers, record teachers improperly addressing students, record fights, and verifiably report on very real issues within the school. I haven't seen any educational benefits from banning cell phones, only that it's been easier to sweep stories under the rug and to refute concerning complaints from children in need.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Oh okay, my bad. I guess I'll just change what I see and hear.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i suspected it as much. teens have been recording inappropiate behaviour by school admistrations. any statutory rape, relationship they dont want that to hit neews. before cellphones, i caught 1-2 professors/instructers using outdated or misinformed facts in bio. this probably where its good to fact check

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm sorry, is there a massive problem of adult teachers and staff at school being constantly glued to and distracted by their phones such that it prevents them from teaching and doing what they are otherwise there to do?

No?

... Maybe the critics can ask ChatGPT what a false equivalence is.

We had early smart phones back I was in high school.

We also had this rule.

Its fine.

If its not fine, you have an addiction problem, and should seek help.

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I agree with you that adults having smart phones is a different problem than children having smart phones.

Here's where you lose me. The critique isn't that adults are distracted. The critique is that being a role model means modeling the same behavior and showing by doing. That is the argument I see disengenuously misrepresented in this comment section again and again. That is a separate argument from adults have a problem with using their phones at inappropriate times during the work day/adults are addicted to their phones.

I can also unilaterally state that smart phones are also addictive for adults and are also bad for our mental health and well being.

The fact is, adults absolutely do have problems with staying on task and avoiding their phones during the work day. I see this in the field I work in and in other fields. This is so prevalent there are whole industries where its common to see "no mobile devices allowed in vehicles" stickers and decals on work trucks.

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Fuck that. If you can't stop schools from getting shot up, banning phones is the wrong move.

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah! Kids shouldn't have different rules than adults! Same rules for all ages!

Sincerely,

The Pedophiles

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And the tobacco industry. And the gamling industry.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

And the mining industry

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah wtf? TONS of things have a set of rules for adults and kids, that’s literally what being a minor means… how is this a bad thing? Adults aren’t kids, kids aren’t adults… why should they be treated the same?

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Sounds good, we should let kids drink and smoke pot then right. You can drive a car at any age, any age person can buy cigarettes. No more age restrictions on games and movies...

Staff at schools are adults, many of which are responsible for the lives of other living humans. The critics must all have the maturity of school children.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I said this before: I know schools that do not have cell phone bans yet the students simply don't use them. Its called engagement and respect, and teaching kids appropriate use.

I think considering laws like this says more about a broken education system (or lack of parenting) than a cell phone problem.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I could see this making sense if the American education system wasn't already broken beyond repair. Otherwise it doesn't improve education. Simply gives more control to corrupt schools.

In my country a similar cellphone ban in schools has been implemented. Except in our schools kids actually learn quite a lot. It's far from perfect, but far from terrible too. It may or may not have a noticeable impact on students' performance. That remains to be seen, since it was implemented fairly recently. Perhaps scores from this year will indicate either an increase or a decrease.

Though of course, politicians are unlikely to care and even if it ultimately leads to a decline, they won't cancel it.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Yes, we have different rules for kids and adults. Does anyone want to argue that we shouldn't? Really? Let's hear it.

I take it the argument that kids need their phones to be safe at school has been completely debunked? Otherwise, they'd use that one, like parents have since this whole fiasco started.

To anyone old enough to remember when schools didn't allow personal phones, because they didn't exist, the idea that they should be allowed is ludicrous. Same for allowing food, or chit-chat, or kids to get up and wander around the class during instruction, or all the other stupid shit that goes on now in schools, from what I've read.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hot take but phone ban is schools is bad. We ought to teach kids how to use the phones properly as clearly personal computers are never going away and are fundamental part of our existence.

I know it's hard, I know that teachers will struggle but it's clearly an important investment as we're never going back to a pre personal computer world. It might change shape from a phone to a watch or something but it's never going away.

[–] 5gruel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Really a non sequitur. you could have one course "healthy use of new technology" and ban it for the rest of the school day for distraction-free learning.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You could but you could also train real world practice. Example of this I really like is Japans school cleaning structures where kids learn and practice cleaning and taking care of their surroundings - because we all will need environment maintenance skills forever (or until personal robots).

I know it's not a exact comparison but developing crucial skills and more importantly practicing them is what peak education looks like.

For phone example this would be developing and enforcing phone culture so it caries on out of school. Kids can ignore a single class but a culture shaped within the school will stay with them forever.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Adults are more responsible than children. Responsibility comes with privileges.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Agreed - no cell phones in school, for anyone. If someone needs to contact me while I'm teaching they can go through our admin team!

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Hopefully only smart phones. I don't care what the school says, my kid will have a flip phone or something so they can contact me and take pics and video. Like everyday a new grooming case comes out and they want less surveillance?

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