Literally every type of age verification ever put into place has been circumvented by children. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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When I was little, my mom used to send me to the store with a note that said to sell me cigarettes, and that they were for her. When I started smoking, I used to reuse the notes to get my own smokes. I got my first fake ID at 13 so I could buy beer.
When I was 13 I could just buy beer, the trick was to make it look like you are helping your parents with groceries. So also pickup stuff like a carton of eggs, potatoes and milk. I never had any issue, but it was a different time and in Europe
Yeah, that last bit is key.
In German I think we were drinking in the clubs at that age. No “helping the parents with the eggs and milk” lol
My mum did the same thing she stopped when I used the £20 note to buy sweets, that was a lot of sweets back then.
How about instead of trying every complicated stupid way to regulate users and especially children ..... you regulate and control companies and corporations instead.
Or, ya know, make parents take responsibility for their own children and monitor what they are doing online. If you don't want your kids seeing or participating in things online then don't give them unfettered access to smart phones and computers!
I kind fo agree and kind of don't. I agree in that parents should take accountability for their children. That said, social media has been shown to be addictive and kids are frequently ahead of their parents technologically. One thing that could help is an education campaign that teaches parents how to effectively monitor their kid's online activity. Parents need some help figuring out what tools to use and how to use them I think.
You are correct and I'm a little upset at myself that I left out the fact that educating parents should be something we put money and effort into as well.
I agree, letting parents do their job of parenting is the best way to deal with this. But the problem is that that's very difficult, and they currently lack adequate tools.
The best method would be to make sure operating systems support parental controls that parents can set, and require websites to respect those settings (and browsers to support an API passthrough of the OS setting). That way there's no need to do any age verification that sends sensitive data like ID or faces to third-parties with sketchy privacy policies.
Unfortunately, when moves were actually taken to implement this kind of solution, reactionaries pushed back and made sure it didn't happen.
Combine both and demand parental controls for devices and services. The isp is paid for by an adult that's the only age check websites should need. Parents should have easily accessible tools to mark a os or browser as used by a minor.
Utah is trying. They claim they want to hold websites liable for Utahians who use VPNs to bypass ID checks. I don't think that's going to work, mostly because I have a lot of questions about how that could possible be enforced. But it's funny to think about.
I couldn't stop laughing when one of my kids showed me a picture of his 10 year old friend's effort with the texta. We are talking comical magician curly moustache. Roblox verified that account as 18 though and now that account can't talk to his school friends.
He outsmarted himself lol
What year were you born on January 1st?
Oh it was a long time ago, but not so long ago that it's suspicious.
I can’t wait to email this to my MP
Canada Bill S209 needs to die. It’s bad legislation.
Politicians don't seem to function this way though. They don't concern themselves with implementation details. People will vote for age verification even if it doesn't work.
Fuck, didn’t realize this cancer had reached Canada
Vincent Adultman

I went to the stock market today and did a business
I wonder how the business industry is going these days?
I'm in my mid thirties and I'd still buy a mask or something to trick these systems if and when this becomes a thing in my country.
Guy Fawkes uses a lot of online services.
Good, good -- teach the children that authority is bullshit. This kind of thing is more effective than book learnin'.
I guess now we must ban pens and markers because children might draw fake mustaches and bypass age verification.
So long humble pen. We will miss you.
Is it legal to “verify” my age to be a minor? Would less of my information be collected?
…not that any of it is accurate anyway.
Today in: "Just let the parents parent."
It's good to see a reminder that depending on the majority of parents to act in absence of real, tangible regulation is doomed to be a failure.
As I understand it, most adult content producers aren't actually interested in having minors using their sites. It seems like the easiest thing to do would be to have them add some "Adult Material" flag in their metadata, and let consumers respond as they wish to that tag - whether that's done through browser settings, router nannyware, or whatever.
Is there a technical reason this isn't what's being pushed for? I'm sure there's lobbying and "optics" reasons for not doing this, but is there any practical reason for not pursuing this, or something like it?
We already have multiple solutions for blocking children from websites that parents don't want them to access and the companies providing those situations maintain their own databases of different types of content tagged so that parents can have some control over what is blocked and what is not. This stuff has existed since the 90s it's nothing new. It requires parents taking the initiative though and really when we get down to it this is another, "but think of the children, " sort of situation where they are using child safety as cover for making it easier to collect biometric data of people online.
We want your children to be safer online so we forced them to self-identify with biometric data? Isn’t that part of what caused this in the first place?
Privacy, security, and regulation is the answer here, not more surveillance capitalism. But that’s anathema to the business models of every social media company so instead we get this ham-fisted attempt at jamming the square peg of “digital advertising surveillance” into the round hole of “protecting children”. The mechanical action damages everything involved.
This system is specifically and very effectively designed to monitor, analyze, addict, and sell people, and this “solution” just ends up being more engineering to that end. Asking it to selectively age-gate content is like inventing a global network for information transfer and then becoming outraged when it’s used for file sharing. Copy is an intrinsic operation of digital data, and exploitation is an intrinsic operation of social media. We’re asking it to do the opposite of what it’s created to do.
Parents should be in charge of filtering content for their children, and the government should be in charge of using the collective power of the people to regulate companies that exploit them instead of serving them. Asking social media companies to do it is backing the wolf truck up to the chicken coop while the guy hired to protect the chickens tells you “The wolves will protect the chickens from other predators!”