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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's funny, because it's true, but now I need a wholesome version of this with left unity pls, soviet-bottom

The ML should playfully insult the anarchist back, then they just look at each other, then they make out and then they join hands in left unity.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In reality, the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. A huge number of proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.

The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there’s ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn’t actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you, this is good to know!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

No problem! They were called the "Red Anarchists" by Lenin.

[–] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nestor Makhno stans are crying

[–] Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow, that's wonderfully crafted to have a mix of pertinent points and bended facts to get a tight leninist propaganda. You're completely occulting the fact that anarchists integrated the red army only because they were outnumbered, fought the red army itself when able to, that even anarchists truly loyal to bolshevik power were arrested and disbanded, and nicely playing along the underlying assumption that it's weird anarchists joined soviets : it's not, they were pro-soviets, they fought for soviets free of bolshevik control. Yes to left unity, no to rewriting history.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

One thing about anarchism is that it goes against having tight discipline and a unified group. When anarchists joined the Soviets, they tended to drop the anarchist label and just became Marxists. That's why what remains are usually instances of conflict. Anarchists chose to be integrated into the Red Army, don't take away their agency.

From the Marxist perspective, anarchists that genuinely wanted to overturn the socialist state and replace it with anarchism were working to restore capitalism, unintentionally of course but from this respect in such a turbulent period they chose not to take chances. Again, though, many anarchists joined not just the Soviets but the Bolsheviks, and later the CPSU.

My goal here is to highlight that people tend to highlight the real conflict while ignoring that this conflict was against the remaining anarchists, and not the anarchists that had joined the Red Army and even the Bolsheviks unless they continued to press for anarchism. This isn't to say that these anarchists-turned-Bolsheviks were "fake" anarchists, they chose to join the socialists in establishing a socialist state and were helpful in doing so.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Then the scene where they compete on who kills more orcs, but it's who organized more people

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

wow now make a version with legolas and gimli kissing in panel 3 please

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Gay should be uncensored 😤

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

oh god you're right, fixed

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

okay someone had to do it, might as well be me. gigolas is one of my all time favorite ships @woodenghost@hexbear.net

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Fantastic lol!

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes! Thank you, I love it! <3

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

It's when you go out on a sunny day wearing capri pants and get sun damage just on the exposed lower part of your leg that connect to the foot

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A pejorative for socialists that support socialist states.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's a tankie. nutbutter is asking what a tankLe is. I think it's safe to assume they're just playing around because the title font (at least as seen from Hexbear) makes the letter ambiguous.

I also see that while you answered the perceived question correctly and succinctly as always, CobraCommander didn't catch the joke either but went on to parrot fascist propaganda instead.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sure it probably was a joke, but it still helps IMO to answer genuinely for onlookers. And yea, CobraCommander whitewashing pograms (intentionally or not) is why I think it's still helpful to counter these and take jokes "seriously" when they come from people that may not be joking.

[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've found anarchists are more lenient to many socialists but they will absolutely condemn Marxist-Leninists and Maoists for example

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, the important bit is whether or not the socialist actually supports existing socialism, or condemns existing socialism and simply likes the idea of socialism. The ones that support real, existing socialism are the ones that get attacked, because it means you stand on the side of something that already exists.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One time I mentioned China and someone told me I should stick China in my urethra.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know. It is at least 7 times bigger than a urethra.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's "tankie" and it's someone that supports sending a taxidriver to a year in a labor camp because he slid into an old guy that was jaywalking

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Accurate if Gimli actually agreed and Legolas ~~slipped~~ slit their throat after the battle.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nah, in reality the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. Proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.

The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there's ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn't actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.

[–] Athena5898@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I agree with this. But I will say "Anarcokiddies get the wall" jokes really don't help either when they pop up.

Lemmy is the first instance of MLs I ran into that were not just assholes. And I mean racist, sexist, etc. They then turned around and made jokes about killing anarchist.

I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general. I'm fortunate that I joined hexbear first, cause fucking hell I'd probably already be gone and wouldn't of learn shit to change my veiw.

Course I'm just blocking them at this point. But idk, would like for others anxious About MLs like I was to be able to learn

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.

They really don’t.

I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general

They annoy me, too, especially when they’re lazy, cheap shots like this low-effort meme. They’re counterproductive.

I dissuade Party members from putting down people who do not understand. Even people who are unenlightened and seemingly bourgeois should be answered in a polite way. Things should be explained to them as fully as possible. I was turned off by a person who did not want to talk to me because I was not important enough. Maurice just wanted to preach to the converted, who already agreed with him. I try to be cordial, because that way you win people over. You cannot win them over by drawing the line of demarcation, saying you are on this side and I am on the other; that shows a lack of consciousness. After the Black Panther Party was formed, I nearly fell into this error. I could not understand why people were blind to what I saw so clearly. Then I realized that their understanding had to be developed.
— Huey P. Newton

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't say I've seen MLs be racist. I've seen sexism in some bad orgs, and some orgs have been transphobic like the CPGB, but either way, sorry that that's been your experience. Marxism-Leninism is a liberatory ideology that stands against racism, sexism, and transphobia if one is to actually follow dialectical materialism.

I will say, the anarchists that constantly joke about killing communists and "tankies" is also a problem. It's a two-way street, and usually arises from being entirely too online and not touching grass.

At the end of the day, I disagree with anarchism. I abandoned my anarchist past and agree with Marxism-Leninism, and that's only gotten firmer over time. At the same time, I really wish the slapfighting would stop, either have a real conversation or work together.

[–] Athena5898@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I definitely agree with that

And I'm also sad that had been my experience. It created a lot of anxiety with how man MLs there were and the two IRL I met. Very glad its not the norm like I was afraid it was.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

my opinion of mls when i was younger was very much influenced by knowing ones irl who were on the more misogynist/transphobic side, unfortunately common in eastern europe. it's a large part of why i gravitated to anarchist organizing.

since then i've run into mls through organizing who ended up being great comrades (many of whom were trans) and it really made the ones who are sexist seem like the anomaly.

i don't like seeing the infighting from either direction at this point. it just feels monumentally counter-productive when there's actual fash running around making lists of us. they certainly don't care about the distinction between tendencies, anything other than solidarity is kinda doing their work for them.

[–] Athena5898@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. As long as we are fighting for something better then thats all I care about. I have difference of opinons with people but in the end it wont matter cause material conditions and local environments will prevail for the best for people as long as we fight against bad faith actors and out right fascist.

I actually felt so much better and very happy the last few weeks knowing that those assholes were an outlier. I want more comrades not less.

[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

When western anarchists dismiss AES countries for being "authoritarian" or "capitalist" then they are defaulting to the status quo of Western imperialism. When they say they dislike both USA and China for the same reason, they are again defaulting to Western supremacy whether they intent to or not.

I've had my share of anarchists that get extremely defensive over their country (usually USA) being criticized over enacting imperialism when they are criticizing AES countries and especially China and DPRK, as "whataboutism". It reeks of chauvinism and white supremacy, not realizing that there's an inherent behaviour of preferring their country to stay in power due to fear of "the scary Chinese" and etc.

[–] canniest_tod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Can't remember the last time I had my throat slipped. I think about it and touch myself at night.