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    alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
    [Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
    Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
    Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
    Ponytail: Of course.

    [Caption below the panel]
    Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

    partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

    made with this neat tool

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    [–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 14 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

    I think they'll know about VLC, Audacity and Blender also

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    [–] razen@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago

    This is true for every field. I have noticed this many times, whenever I was introduced to something new I never expected those things to be that deep. So I have understood that almost all things are shallow in nature to us until and unles we ourself step into it

    [–] TheGingerNut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    Actually most firefox users don't know its open source. I was baffled for years about its inclusion in ubuntu and fedora by default. I even specifically went out of my way to find "open source version of firefox". This is how I discovered it was open source. This was after using gentoo for several years.

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    [–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    The most intelligent people aren't those with the greatest amount of knowledge but rather they're the people that are capable of patiently breaking down concepts for their fellow human beings to understand.

    [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

    Experience has taught me that Intelligence and Wisdom are very different things, and whilst the former can help get the latter faster, having lots of the former in no way form or shape guarantees any of the latter or even that one will get any of it.

    I would even say that there's a level of high intelligence but not high enough (I mentally call them "Entry Level Geniouses") that leads people who think they're so much better than everybody else whilst not being intelligent enough to figure out the limits in capability and breath of use of intelligence alone, so they never figure out the whole "All I know is that I know nothing" and don't really start walking down the path to Wisdom. Elon Musk is probably a good example.

    [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 7 points 14 hours ago

    People should stop being condescending at all and regardless what it's about.

    [–] guymontag@lemmy.ml 65 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    I said "web browser" when talking to a mac user. They had noo idea what I was talking about till I said safari xd.

    [–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

    Branded language makes us only see one choice, its very anti competitive.

    [–] elaina@lemmy.zip 25 points 17 hours ago (11 children)

    Yeah, like 'google it' instead of 'look it up'

    [–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

    I've heard people referring to the internal search function of a program as "google".

    One time someone wanted to use "find and replace" in VsCode and he just said "I google the word and replace it".

    [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 10 hours ago

    your anecdote is making me irrationally angry

    [–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

    This is much more when when using ducksuckg. "I duck the word and replace it" "I'll just duck the answer"

    [–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago

    Suck my duck! quack!

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    [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 17 hours ago

    It's "just ask ChatGPT" now

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    [–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 10 points 14 hours ago

    I've taken to calling it 'The internet App' when talking to none techy people.

    The real annoying one is getting people to find the "Start" button on Windows realizing it hasn't be branded that since XP.

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    [–] Strider@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

    Only Linux? ONLY Linux?

    It's the Gnu/Linux ecosystem with a shit load of software.

    (yeah which the average person has no idea about, proving the point in the comic 😁)

    [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    Thank you Richard, however:

    1. Not all Linux distributions use GNU.
    2. GNU coreutils aren't the only or even most important component of a modern distro. systemd is.
    [–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Ooooo seems like you're personally invested and did not catch the tongue in cheek drift.

    [–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    oh no. this tool is too good.

    [–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    just one loop they don't know about all the others

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    [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 182 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

    I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    The next comment was β€œWhat’s Linux?”

    In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

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    [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

    [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 60 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

    I’m in my mid 40s.

    Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

    [–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

    Learnt helplessness has become a real thing around the world.

    I know a lot of people who could normally wrap their head around basic computing and troubleshooting in the 2000s, who now go into a near panic attack if the apps on their iPhone suddenly look different...

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 48 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

    YEP.

    I used to work in a library computer lab. It was soul sucking, how many people older than millennials couldn't friggin handle a basic computer. I heard the words "I clicked the 'E' for 'internet'." multiple times A DAY. (Thanks, 1990's Microsoft and No Child Left Behind.)

    "CaNt I jUsT uSe My PhOnE?" (Which would be a million more steps on my part...thanks, 2006 apple, and defunding schools.)

    The biggest ragebait for me was "I dOn'T kNoW cOmPuTeRs, I'm oLd ScHoOL."

    I'm like "PCs have been increasingly commonplace since the mid-1980's. It's currently the 2020's. You're like 56. HOW 'OLD' IS YOUR SCHOOL?! Because somehow you drove a car here!"

    I imagine a certain weird kind of "privilege", to have been able to somehow dodge computers and learning this entire time, when they were so often found in homes, schools, and workplaces.

    Like it takes significant effort to somehow avoid even an accidental education. HOW?!

    It's...infuriating. These rubes can gleefully scroll tiktok and dump all their personal lives into Facebook, but freak out about sending an email.

    Many of them were even around to try the Internet during Eternal September and AOL, and now they've exchanged the squishy fat in their skulls for convenient slop.

    I'd bend over backwards to patiently teach, but few cared to learn.

    Their collective, willful ignorance is why we're fighting a constant uphill battle against attempts to turn the entirety of computing into nothing but a commercialized authoritarian hellscape.

    I left that job because if I heard one more "Kids are born so smart with these computers because my (grand)kids can watch their cocomelons all by themselves." I would've snapped and been booked for assault.

    Lol /rant

    ...clearly this is a button for me...I have sought help in the past...

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    [–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 1 day ago (22 children)

    Is the average person unaware of Linux and Firefox?!

    [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 142 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    Yes? The number of people I met in college that doesn't even heard about firefox was surprising.

    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 22 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    These days I'd expect large number of people in college to not even know what a file system is. I've read articles where professors complain about this.

    No no, not like "NTFS / BTRFS / ReiserFS / TempleFS / EXT4..."

    ...like..."Folders are how you organize files. And you can rename files. The extension tells you what the file is."

    [–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 10 points 14 hours ago

    "Filesystem? You mean the downloads folder? Yes I know about it. You just tap the Files app"

    πŸ’€

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    [–] otter@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Some people also don't care much one way or another. If you swap the icons and set the same home screen, they'll happily use any browser.

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    [–] foggy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

    This is a crippling reality.

    Whenever I explain anything I am constantly evaluating how in depth any given node must be expanded for my audience.

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