The pacing of releases was whack.
Too long between 1 and 2, not long enough between 2 and 3.
I also heard that 2 and 3 were basically the same movie, and that they weren't even that good.
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I mean, 1 didn’t make me crave sequels, even if they were soon available.
It was a fun action movie, sure. A visual spectacle. But not a world I felt invested in.
I felt like it was a world where a loooot of effort was put into certain aspects and then other parts of the world were neglected. Seemed like a waste of potential. For example some of the visual effects are kinda good even today, not just cause of the fidelity but also cause it seems like one cohesive piece. Talking about cohesion, the first and second halfs of this movie are two different movies, both with the storytelling and the visual effects and i like the first half muuuch more. Feels like if the movie focused on the Na'vi more it wouldve been better. An actually interesting story about slowly fitting more and more into a different culture got turned into some generic about natives fighting back, which you can do but then use one of the thousand examples irl, dont waste such a good oppurtunity to make something special. This is why i think so few fancy, high-budget movies tell good stories, without visual effects and huge sets you actually have to tell a story worth hearing to make your movie special. This of course doesnt mean visually captivating movies cant be narratively engaging, im just saying its rare.
That’s overcomplicating it.
Maybe that’s the issue.
The characters just… weren’t charismatic/engaging. I can’t name a single one. The world was intricate, and exotic, and gorgeous, and… kind of superficial?
I think the other Avatar is a perfect contrast.
Iroh. Zuko. Toph. Azula. Korra, Tenzin, Zaheer. To me, these character are instantly memorable because they were so distinct in purpose and culture, even extending to minor characters like Suki or Su.
And take bending. It’s a concept as simple as a rock, but they embed it in everything, from mundane chores to personalities and cycles to martial arts scenes. They never need to explain anything about it in words or narration.
Hence it’s be cool if the James Cameron Avatar characters where sharp, so distinct you could cut yourself on them. If their nature synergy, dependence on unobtanium or whatever was really woven into mundane life and such, to make it feel like an important system. There’s nothing wrong with another “natives fighting back” story, but I didn’t feel anything pull me into the struggle.
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Number 1 was a retelling of Ferngully the Last Rainforest. https://spotlightonfilm.com/2012/05/13/avatar-vs-ferngully-the-last-rainforest-a-case-of-plagiarism/
As someone who hasn't watched FernGully (but should), I'm increasingly skeptical of these types of "plagiarism" comparisons between movies. Lindsay Ellis recently broke down the "Aladdin was stolen" narrative and compellingly showed "it's complicated", and more obviously, YMS five years ago fucking eviscerated the then-popular argument that The Lion King was a ripoff of Kimba the White Lion.
(Edit: I'd say this especially goes for someone like James Cameron who clearly takes immense pride in his work and setting himself apart. That's circumstantial, of course, but it seems totally out-of-character.)
I saw both. Avatar is a marvel of VFX, but the story is definitely ferngully.
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Was Kimba also based on Hamlet or something? As far as I'm concerned that plotline is in the public domain. Or is it just using lions to tell the story that was supposedly stolen?
Also, how could Aladdin be "stolen" when it obviously takes direct inspiration from several stories in 1001 Arabian Nights? Are people claiming that it was stolen from some other story that was inspired by the same book?
- The accusation for Aladdin is complicated and is based on The Thief and the Cobbler.
- On the other hand, your instincts are entirely right about The Lion King, and when I say "YMS eviscerated it", I mean that it's the most comically ridiculous yet superficially believable accusation of plagiarism you could possibly come up with. This is genuinely worth 147 minutes of your time, and it's one of the funniest videos I've ever watched. One of the comments summarizes it best: "Damn, can't believe kimba invented Africa, and real life just ripped them off like that."
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As someone who had FernGully on VHS, there are marked similarities, though it's not exactly 1-to-1. The main conflict is resource extraction, although instead of a gung-ho colonel we get Tim Curry as literal pollution. The protagonist gets transformed to fit in with the locals, but it's an accident by one of the locals instead of deliberate choice. Instead of a cranky Sigourney Weaver, we get a spastic Robin Williams as a bat.
Overall, Avatar is closer to FernGully than to a lot of other going-native movies. Environmental conservation is the driving theme of both films.
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The end action sequence was just the end action sequences from the first 2 films stacked on top of each other.
The thing is, it was still visually gorgeous, and I loved watching it in the theatre. Avatar is eye candy, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Oh - and I do think the idea of trees with shared root systems forming a planet-wide distributed consciousness is actually pretty awesome sci-fi.
Oh - and I do think the idea of trees with shared root systems forming a planet-wide distributed consciousness is actually pretty awesome sci-fi.
Spot-on.
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I didn't even know there was a 3rd one, I thought everyone was talking about the second one this whole time.
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I really feel like the vast majority of people misunderstand these movies. They are visual feasts, made specifically to be pretty and push tech used for movies further along. I have never seen anything from Cameron or anyone else involved say otherwise. They aren't trying to be story telling masterpieces, they are popcorn flicks that you go to the biggest and best cinema to see and just be wowed by the spectacle. And I really enjoy them for that, seen all three in cinemas, biggest and best screens with 3d in my city. Had a blast every time, it's all about knowing what you're watching and why.
exactly. expectation determines your enjoyment. movies often get slammed for doing exactly what they were trying to do.
Jason Statham movies won't move you emotionally, horror movies won't make sense, just watch it for what it is
Okay, yes, true, but they also constructed the entire N'avi language, created a fuckton of lore about the planet, and thoroughly fleshed out the lore and design of Earth and its voyage to and from Pandora.
This wasn't a visual feast made for the viewer, this was a feast made to employ all these skilled artisans in a massive production, and EVERYONE except the writers fucking blew it out of the water.
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When I saw it in the theater back when it came out, it was with my extended family and I knew nothing about it. I assumed it was an Avatar: The Last Airbender movie (which I also knew almost nothing about other than the name). It was a ways into the movie before I realized that I was watching the movie and not some sort of extended preview of another one.
The movie was fine. Great visuals, mediocre plot. It doesn't deserve to have had much of a cultural impact.
Does it have a cultural impact? The franchise seems to have very few hardcore fans and hardly any casual fans. I was at a comic con this weekend and i have seen a guy dressed as a navi. That was the only cosplay i have ever seen. There is also a guy that has his car airbrushed with avatar stuff ever since the first movie came out. Other than that i don't think i have ever even seen an avatar tshirt
Never seemed to be marketed that way.
I like the films - then again, I'm a sucker for big cinema and IMAX 3D, so from an eye-candy perspective, it's glorious. Is the story anything earth-shaking? Of course not. It's escapist fluff.. but oh.. how it looks.
I feel like saying "James Cameron made a film about nothing" is unfair. I don't think it's about nothing. It's about colonialization. It's about inter-species racism, but in like a corporate kind of way.
And yet, it really feels like a film about nothing. I wonder why that is.
Is it just that it has nothing interesting to say about how colonialization works? It's been a long time since I've seen the film, but I do sort of remember it coming to really obvious conclusions.
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iirc that was all it was ever really touted as.
Supreme eye candy, nothing more, nothing less.
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I've watched both of the sequels now (on the high seas), and they were actually pretty entertaining.
But I agree that they aren't nearly as culturally significant as the PR would like you to believe
The other Avatar, on the other hand…
Flamey-O! That's Toph to answer.
I see that you, too, are a hotman of culture
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I was thinking about this the other day - I saw the movie and I know what a Navi is, but I can't recall a single memorable quote or name a character. There is no memorable SNL sketch except the one masking fun of the Papyrus font. There is no fandom, there is nothing
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i once got 3rd place in an avatar trivia competition on a modded minecraft server
i still have not received my prize
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The cultural impact is to prove that setting a new bar for mind-blowing gorgeous CGI was still possible a decade after Babylon 5. The Way of Water repeated that incredible feat.
I didn't watch that Fire And Ash yet; so don't know whether it further ruins every single other modern movie further or just keeps them disappointing by reinforcing standards which seemingly no one else is willing to consider.
James Cameron proved that there is a massive market for movies without witty punchlines and convoluted plots which require one to have the booklet (or nowadays phone) at hand to read along like when going to the opera.
He took the most overused classic western plot and made it work great on the big screen for a heterogenous global audience. He didn't need any well-established franchise to back his adaptation of "White men invade land of natives; all hope is lost. But then one of the whites turns out to be the savior and helps the natives to repel the invasion."
It was refreshing to watch a movie that let me pick a side without coming up with some forced gotcha-everything-is-morally-gray bullshit. That shit even infested the comic adaptations by now.
The plot couldn't be more bland. The characters couldn't be more forgettable. The movies still are masterpieces regardless. Yes, I cringed at some points. But overall, they were a great experience. And yes, I also like Western.
Btw, Papyrus is a fitting choice for the title font.
10/10 technical marvel 0/10 everything else
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Nahh! Another cultural impact is, that if you are one with natur it is acceptable to put your tentacle thingies into your girl, pull out, and into an animal it goes. You can even force it into a bird and people will like you for it. I newer saw them wash it after pulling out of an animal, probably it went straight back into the girl off screen.
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It's cultural impact is the idea that it so remarkably didn't have one
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I never even saw it. From what I heard it's basically Pocahontas in space. The main new thing was that it was the first major 3D movie, so I'm not very surprised it didn't stick.
"Dances With Smurfs"
It was pretty but forgettable, unless you saw it on mushrooms then it was pretty unforgettable
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I was entertained, it was pretty, it pushed for better facial animations. Other than that it's no real major impact.
the Cinema version if "this meeting should have been an email"
"This movie should have been a 5 minute tech demo"
it pushed for better facial animations
It genuinely pushed for a lot of technical achievements. Knowledge/skills that will be able to improve future films. Sure, the Avatar films may not be good films on their own. But they are being used to develop technologies which will make for better films from other people who actually want to make good films.
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At this point, I think its most lasting cultural impact is everyone's opinion on how little cultural impact it had.
Ferngully did it better.
Haven't watched Avatar, but I think it at least shows the "real bad guys" instead of a monster that isn't even a proper reference to the CEO of the corp
Also, oh my god there is a Ferngully 2!? WHY???
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Bad crop? Bro, we're gonna starve
I remember south park making fun of Avatar for being so painfully generic.
I'm genuinely surprised the sequels are making money. I didn't see any of them in theatres. I didn't think people cared about this franchise. Maybe some are going mainly for the visuals, that's the main reason I go to see the Jurassic movies
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I didn't realize Zuckerberg was in it
I think the cultural impact it has is that it proofs that adults do want to see a full feature animation in the theater that is aimed for adults and isn’t a kids comedy. Cameron succeeded where Zemeckis failed. Beowulf crawled and stumbled so Avatar could run.
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