"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I take back everything I said in my previous post because of this
Louis Rossmann already talked about how if he generates his website content with ai, or post-processes it with ai, it scores #1 in results consistently, whereas THE SAME information written in a human way, scores down in the hundreds.
They already did it.
They went from "indexing the world's information" to "plagiarizing and supplanting the world's information."
I noticed that dictionary definitions on Google are now AI-generated, whereas they used to be taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, written by humans. Needless to say I much preferred the human-written definitions.
What? You don't like the fever dreams of the planet killing machines?
"We, Google, who produce an AI, are now prioritizing AI content in our search engine, in a totally unrelated decision to our AI production, so that we can totally not artificially inflate the imaginary value of AI so as to force more people to use our AI to create content, so it will show in our search engine we've gone to lengths to skew results in the favor of AI in to give you the best service imaginable (because its imaginary to think we provide the best of anything)"
I really wish we'd get another president into the office thats willing to take a massive hammer to these big companies and bust them up into shards again.. preferably this time making sure they cant T2000 themselves back together into the original whole, thats somehow worse.
Geez, a person would have to think for like 2, maybe even 5 seconds to forsee how this plays out. Instead of buying apples from the orchard, we'll be buying apples from the local apple thieves. Hey, why are there no more apples?
Who still uses Google as a self respecting techie?
Are there any plans to release an AI that's not dogshit?
The problem isn't that AI is dogshit. In fact there are many things that have been revolutionized because of AI. Our understanding of biology has catapulted forward decades because of new models.
The problem is marketing. Those few use cases, while truely amazing, are only useful for a few things. The marketing of AI is horrible, throwing it into every product whether it makes sense or not. Throwing more money at it when it doesn't make sense in the vain hopes that will eventually make it profitable. Then manipulating the market so that alternatives to your bad product aren't feasible.
These silicon valley narcissists need AI to be profitable more than AI can become profitable.
A big part of the problem is that everything is AI and AI is everything. Machine learning, LLMs, and "AI companies" are three very different concepts that get muddled together by newspeak.
Many machine learning applications are indeed truly innovative and a leap forward in how we deal with certain classes of problems, like in computer vision or computational biology as you mentioned. But the big trouble with LLMs imo is twofold: they are kryptonite for our monkey brains as language is something so uniquely human that it is a literal backdoor into our minds; and as a whole they are both affected and effected by the forced enshittification of capitalism, whether directly or indirectly, and the interests of "others", leading to some not great times.
AlphaFold is not an LLM tho
I think homey is using a more expanded AI definition then the "Looks inside: It's a LLM" one that is generally used today.
Perhaps. My issue is more with the muddy waters when it comes to "AI". It might be because it's near to my profession, and I frequently encounter a fervent, yet clueless enthusiasm. When that same lack of specificity is used to argue for what they don't really understand either, for example:
The problem isn’t that AI is dogshit. In fact there are many things that have been revolutionized because of AI. Our understanding of biology has catapulted forward decades because of new models.
It does beg the question if they understand what they are talking about. "AI is dogshit", is weird. Are we talking about LLMs here? They are great for a lot of things. They are pretty horrible at doing what most seem to think they are great at, but that's perhaps a different matter.
Then there is the "Our understanding of biology has catapulted forward decades because of new models". If we are generalizing "AI models" to include the ones that have contributed to biology, we end up with a definition of "AI" that becomes "model based computational solution optimization".
Chatbots are a different type of AI entirely tho.
NoAI.duckduckgo.com is even better
vanilla duckduck has embedded ai as well
I love that Google has convinced themselves they can be a massive advertisement company without the mechanism that got us to look at the ads.
They've got a whole lot more avenues to shove ads down people's throats now than when they started, though.
I guess it's a good damn thing I don't use Google anymore.
Hey another reason to stop using Google's enshittified search engine.
It’s not even a search engine anymore. It’s just another stream of ad revenue for them. They’re an advertising company, NOT a search company.
Further erasing the source of truth so it can be rewritten by the highest bidder.
And if you try to use the AI search to actually find any actual websites or articles it will just hallucinate them. They kept telling us AI was the future of search, but we know they want it to be the future of information.
Its just that they can't afford to not be. You leaving for another site is heresy with how much money they need to make on selling ads and you.
And the middle man has decided they have overheard enough of the conversation going both ways to just "know" what you are about to ask and what the answer should be.
This is the new market for them. Not being a search algorithm but being a magical information hoarder that can predict everything about their user and their brand partners.
They want to be Madame Leota
I want to downvote this so bad but I know that's not the point of downvotes...
I too sometimes wish it would be possible to boo stuff that gets published in digital media. 🫨 Some stuff is just too triggering.
Self-host SearXNG on your laptop/PC. Your only regret is that you'd wish you'd done this sooner. Both SearXNG and Docker have helpful setup pages that walk you through the process. https://docs.searxng.org/
I’ve been hosting searx(ng) for like a decade or more. Rarely does it not find what I’m looking for.
Can you give me a top level description? Is this really a self hosted search engine?? Like how dependant is this on other indexes somewhere?
I should have been more accurate. It’s not a search engine per se. It’s a search aggregator. It doesn’t crawl the net, just uses other search engines
That's still pretty damn cool. Got dang it... another project for the pile...
Thanks :)
If AI really were that good, it would have naturally displaced human written answers by now.
Not only will this suck but it will also be very dangerous. A large company whose goals are profit and manipulation that is essentially embedded in society should not be allowed to have this kind of control over this facet of the public square.
The co-founders of google that are still on the board, did business with epstein.
Good thing i dont use google anymore
Dammit. Now I have to spend more time at the library. Thankfully it ain't too far away.
you're gonna use AI whether you like it or not ..... oh wait, I left google search long ago
Yesterday, as the goog search-results-page was taking 4-5 seconds to generate the AI-guff at top, it made all the site-links unclickable until AI summary was done. 🚽
(Disclaimer: Was on a random PC)