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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 252 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That is 100% in character for MAGA: at the same time they screech "dOn'T cAlL uS nAzIs" while also saying "Hitler did many good things"

[–] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 131 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The only good thing Hitler did was kill Hitler.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 5 days ago (1 children)

True, but counterpoint: he also killed the guy who killed Hitler

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What an evil bastard! Ok, so who killed the guy who killed Hitler?

[–] Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

You're not going to believe this...

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 72 points 5 days ago (4 children)

"You just people called everyone a Nazi" while lining up the concentration camps

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

1200 missing from “Alligator Auschwitz.” We are at death camp stage.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy. I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can't blame that on me." - German citizen, 1946

[–] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Until Hitler.. self-hitlered.., most Germans had no idea they even had concentration camps or that genocide was being done in their name. They thought they were winning the war, and they saw the infrastructure/economic improvements and thought Hitler was doing a great job. One would hope everything being actively video recorded/ reported this time would make a difference but, if my experience with my MAGA family is indicative of what's happening with the rest of the MAGAts, they're just as ignorant. I forced my fiance's newsmax-addicted grandma to watch a video of ICE beating a woman, in front of her small child, while they were kidnapping her husband, and Mema hasn't said shit about politics since. She was genuinely shocked.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not entirely true. Most Germans absolutely knew something was up with the Jews, and others, and pretended not to. Out in the country, where the Concentration Camps were, towns and villages knew what was happening, and could smell the crematoriums. Many of the workers at the camps lived in the villages, and businesses in the village did business with the camps. Many had to have seen, or at least heard about the conditions.

In the cities, it was pretty obvious that Jews were disappearing, usually in harsh and violent round-ups in which any resistance was met with instant lethal force. Neighbors, employers, local business people, etc. certainly noticed that the local Jews, gays, activists, religious figures, etc. were disappearing. Of course, EVERYBODY had been exposed to years of the most ferocious anti-Semitic rhetoric, far worse than what we hear today about undocumented people in America, which included permanently eliminating Jews from the entire planet, so they could pretty easily guess where those people had gone, never to be heard from again. As bad as MAGAs are, we haven't heard them openly calling for an official policy of extermination...yet. I truly believe it is coming, though.

Of course, after the war, nobody was going to admit they knew something was going on, and did nothing about it. Better to just act ignorant. Better to be thought to be stupid, than to be thought to be evil.

All of that makes sense. I was citing a documentary I watched on YT years ago, which, I believe, was citing an author that traveled Germany after the war. Your explanation is definitely what was going on haha

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 79 points 5 days ago (5 children)

So if you're one of those generals, do you recite the new oath or do you allow them to purge everyone loyal to the Constitution?

[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Itd be nice if they faked the bad oath to secretly protect the constitution.

[–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

This is actually a tactic listed in the official CIA “Simple Sabotage” handbook. Basically, if you can’t overtly sabotage things by blowing them up while maintaining your cover, work to sabotage things from inside instead.

Get a job in middle management, and do everything in your power to live up to the term “middle manglement”. Do your job as poorly as possible while still maintaining plausible deniability. Make it difficult for people around you to do their jobs. Give other managers bad info. Sow division via gossip. Divert employees towards busy work so they can’t focus on important tasks. Waste budgets. Ensure deadlines get missed, while demanding unreasonable deadlines for other teams. Et cetera…

And I can guarantee that generals will be well aware of this fact. Plenty of them got into their spots by being war dogs, but they won’t be stupid.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

This reads similar to what Wilhelm Canaris allegedly did.

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You just described every middle manager ever.

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago

What if all middle managers are just plants from competing companies?

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just thinking out loud here.

Faking it also give them power. If all the generals go in an give an oath to the furher, they don't all have to mean it for it to have far reaching effects.

But if you're not going to take the oath, I feel like you have to have a real plan for resistance beyond just get escorted... out.

It doesn't help that our government was founded with a core principle of the military being subservient to a civilian command.

These are smart people entrusted with the most powerful military in history. If anyone can find a strategy to prevent the Fourth Reich, it's them.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They cross their fingers while saying it and it’s legally non-binding

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel like that's probably the logic of a lot of Nazi generals who just you know continued to be Nazi generals. As in just self justification.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you're one of those generals, you have an oath to the Constitution so you protect the Constitution with the same dedication as if you were on a battlefield. Soldiers don't change team midway. Even amateur athletes don't do that.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you rise to the rank of general, you're more politician than soldier though, and politicians change teams all the time

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not that kind of politics, though. Any General has had to navigate an elaborate military political labyrinth of rules, regulations, and the erratic and unpredictable vagaries of higher command. That's far different from dealing with the politics of elections, votes, campaign financing, public opinions, etc., that an elected politician has to deal with.

Generals are people who have fully bought into the concept of protecting America from its enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. They also have a military education equivalent to a doctorate in any other career. They are fully aware of what their rights and responsibilities are, should they be involuntarily confined to a room, and ordered to dismiss their original oath to their COUNTRY, and take a new on to the Führer.

They will recognize this for what it is, and it will be a watershed moment for this administration. What if all the Generals simply refuse? What will Trump and Hegseth do? Fire them all? Imprison them? Remove them from positions of responsibility? Who will replace them? What if the next several levels of command also refuse? Who will operate the military?

Whatever MAGA does to respond to a Rebellion of Generals will weaken America in the eyes of our enemies.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You put all your hope into the generals recognizing MAGA as the domestic enemy. It could easily go the other way.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

I don't put ALL my hopes into anything. I honestly feel like America is going to crash, and have an apocalyptic Depression that will make the Great Depression look like the post-war boom.

I have a degree in history, and I could rattle off numerous societies that were doing well, right up until the moment they fully collapsed, and were buried over by the next civilization. We aren't special, we've only been around for 250 years. The Romans lasted hundreds, the Egyptians lasted centuries. The Greeks were living an amazing modern life, until they became ancient history. Then there were the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, and many many more. I guarantee that ALL of them felt that their culture would last forever. Today, nobody even speaks their languages.

For the past 50 years, I've watched us barrel down this freeway to destruction, watching every off ramp go by. Here's another one, a big one, an off ramp that could really take us in a different direction, and I'm just pointing it out.

Hopefully, the Generals see this off ramp for the unique opportunity that it is. Generals aren't like politicians. Generals tend to be brave, while nobody is more cowardly than a politician. Generals will accept a dangerous assignment, while a politician will avoid it at any cost. So perhaps the Generals will do what the politicians won't - their jobs, and defend America from certain destruction.

But I'm not holding my breath, either. I am planning and stockpiling for a future apocalypse, and I think the chances of that are about 70%.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Last year I heard a talk by retired Admiral Stravidis, who among other things was supreme commander of NATO for a few years. He pointed out that by the time somebody makes the rank of General or Admiral they will have sworn that oath a bunch of times. They renew that oath each time they are promoted etc. They also would have administered that oath to countless other soldiers & sailors over the years.

Fire all the generals and admirals, and guess what? They are replaced by junior officers who have repeated the oath to the US Constitution almost as many times. There’s always the chance that some may decide to bend the knee to Trump, but there are significantly more that likely won’t.

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[–] sploder@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Generals gathered in their masses 🎶

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Goodness, this is fake right? Please?

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 117 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is happening. There is NO waiting it out and shit changes. MAGA destroyed the United States of America. You get that, right?

You may go to work tomorrow but it won’t be under a democratic republic.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (8 children)
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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

LOL! Nah. Everyone will vote against the Republicans in 2026 and everything will go back to normal, don’t you know.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 24 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Perpetually online motherfuckers moving around through inertia alone with no capacity for anything that remotely feels like confrontation.

We’re doomed to this.

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think it’s just the perpetually online. I think Americans in general still think they will be able to actually vote in the mid terms

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 19 points 5 days ago

That too. There aren’t going to be any midterms. Any elections we do have will be in the style of the Putin regime.

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[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So is this in response to the largest “secret” general meeting in US history that took place a few days ago?

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 70 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You are misinformed. The meeting was announced a few days ago and is scheduled for next week.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ok, cool. So I didn’t miss it.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Actually can't tell if this is satire.

(Pls tell me this is photoshop)

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

It's real. From the yahoo news article that someone else linked: The defense secretary wrote “Cool story, General” in response to a tweet from retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges about Adolf Hitler gathering Nazi generals in 1935 and them being “required to swear a personal oath to the Führer.”

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's real but articles I've found seem to assume he was being sarcastic. I didn't see anywhere that he declared it so, it just seems to be an assumption based on "he couldn't possibly have meant that"

[–] jve@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Is there another interpretation of this that isn’t sarcastic?

Does anybody actually read this and think he meant, “wow, that is a cool story?”

That said, the two ways I come up with to interpret a sarcastic comment here are:

“Sounds like bullshit. “. Which is plausible in this post facts era I suppose.

Or

“What does this have to do with us?” Which would sure help me sleep at night if I didn’t know exactly what it has to do with us, but afaik, Creepy Pete had called such a meeting for thus far unknown purposes.

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[–] F_State@midwest.social 13 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Obviously no good can come of this domestically, but since all the Generals will be there instead of doing their jobs, it would also be a window of opportunity for China to invade Taiwan.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah. Unless of course it's not the 18th century and it no longer matters where a General is physically located.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's not how war works.

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[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (4 children)

No fucking way. No fucking way.

No one will convince me this is real.

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