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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Make charging take 10 minutes and make them affordable and many people would switch over. Also start installing charging stations at gas stations so you have both options in the US.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I've read that headline a few times and it doesn't make any sense anymore than the first time.

How are cars like Horses and what does that have to do with EVs? What's this going on about?

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (34 children)

We know they’re better, we just can’t afford them.

Better analogies would be automatic vs manual transmission, power steering vs not, and CarPlay/Google Maps vs a paper atlas.

I think a lot of people know you have to pay to charge and that charging can take nearly an hour and they don’t see the point. I didn’t know what it cost to charge an EV before. I saw an article yesterday where someone charged, if I read it correctly, 89% of their capacity (they were down to 11%), for $13.99. Get a petrol driver to figure out their capacity, multiply it by 0.89, then multiply that by the cost of petrol in their area. Then convert to US Dollars and see which is cheaper. Guarantee it’s electric.

Of course, that leaves another variable. Batteries, being consumable devices. How much is the EV’s battery to replace (including labour) and how long does the OEM part last?

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

If you're looking at fast charging (1 hour or less) on a regular basis, you're doing it wrong. The vast majority of charging should happen while the car is already parked, using level 2 AC charging. This means when you park at home, with, etc, you take just a few seconds to connect a charger, then walk away. When you come back ~8 hours later, you take a few seconds to unplug before leaving. This approach, believe it or not, means I spend less time dealing with fuel than if I had a gas car.

Plus, AC charging is much cheaper, and more reliable. These chargers are very simple devices, that just do a bit of monitoring and negotiation. They deliver raw 240v to the car, which has its own AC-DC converter.

DC fast charging is much more expensive - $14 for a full DC charge is very unlikely. That's because DCFC stations are very big, complex installations. As such, they also have parts fail on a regular basis. DCFC is often more expensive than gas, but again should only be used on rare occasions.

As for batteries failing, it's about as often as a gas engine fails. IOW, it's extremely rare until the car is EOL anyway. Battery degradation is typically 85-90% health remaining at 100k miles.

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[–] Hellgruen@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Not at all a very convinient opinion for him as he maneuvered his company into a dead end doubling down on the combustion engine.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Have a 2011 Lexus ES350 (gas, V6), and a 2013 Nissan Leaf (EV, ~60 miles of range). Both my wife and I prefer driving the Leaf around town because it's just plain fun. We keep the Lexus for long trips, but could honestly get by with a rental if we ever needed to.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I got my first car 24 years ago. A hand-me-down that my grandpa bought with 87kkm on it, that my brother crashed. It took a lot of welding to get that car to pass inspection.

Four cars later I still have never owned a new car. I aim to buy 10yo without a loan. My current one no longer gets updated maps for its built-in infotainment system.

If I buy a 10yo EV it'll definitely need a new battery pack. That changes the economy completely. I guess it's cheaper to drive so I'd shell out for 10yo of driving in advance.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

If I buy a 10yo EV it’ll definitely need a new battery pack.

Depends in mileage, how often it was fast charged, and with some models you cannot replace the pack at all, others you can refurbish the pack with only replacing the defective cells.

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