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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (33 children)

Disclaimer: This strategy takes decades or centuries to have any effect.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Ignore the ivory towers atop which the officials sit. Cleanly above your protests, so that they might see the horizon beyond your squabbling. Had the people consumed the choices, and rebuked the officials, maybe they would not have to choose between marauders and raiders.

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[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Thsts some "vote blue no matter who" bs. We have not forgotten genocide joe

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Actually it’s “primary out the do-nothing democrats when progressive candidates are on the ballot and vote for the lesser of two evils if there’s no viable progressive candidate.” Also, if you want better candidates then help progressive candidates campaign as early as you learn about them. That could mean volunteering and door knocking, donating, or just spreading the word about them. Do what you’re able to do as enthusiastically as you can

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[–] IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (7 children)
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[–] CelestialBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This kind of post isn't helpful. It's useless finger wagging at this point that isn't actually going to substantively change things and it does nothing to challenge Democratic ineffectiveness.

Is the Democratic party better than the Republicans? Sure. But during the whole time Biden was in office that didn't stop my rights from eroding in the state I live in and the current Democratic status quo is to claim that standing for some civil rights is a problem. I won't say some things didn't get better but an improving economy didn't help with the cost of living for those of us who actually have to live in THIS economy.

The general argument though, is that if you vote for the lesser of two evils, therefore you're picking the opponent that you feel you are most likely going to nudge on the issues. The DNC ran a postmortem, claimed that they were going to be open and honest about the results, then hid the results when it contradicted their pro-Israel stance.

Nevermind that our leaders are fighting corruption and fascism with strongly worded letters, while the establishment is engaged in actively trying to destroy any momentum from their left while they seek out this mythical centrist Republican that'll vote for them. Am I supposed to feel okay with a party who's establishment thinks my rights are optional? Are brown people supposed to feel safe when out government is engaged in active ethnic cleansing and the opposition is dog whistling about how much they love strong borders? Are people of middle eastern descent supposed to feel okay when the opposition party supports a genocide?

Are we supposed to be convinced that a political party is willing to pay attention to protests and act on them, when they can't even be bothered to be transparent about and learn from a postmortem that told them actual fucking genocide is a line in the sand that enough people are unwilling to cross that it'd cost them one of the most consequential fucking elections of century?!

Voting blue is a tool, but how is doing it no matter who going to be meaningful when the Democrats won't learn from their mistakes, will double down on their harms, will throw their own candidates under the bus for being too far left, and will continuously shift rightward?

I'm all for not letting the perfect get in the way of the good, and I have absolutely followed through on the "picking your opponent" mindset, but you actually have to have good on the board.

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[–] clifmo@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Democracy is an adversarial system. Politicians are never your friends. Voting is the act of choosing your adversary. Your representatives work for you and must be pushed while in office.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Too bad the people who need to hear this aren't listening. I tried to make the same argument in 24 and constantly got responses that didn't amount to anything more than

Nope, I'm gonna take my ball and go home, who cares if temu Hitler wins? Both sides blah blah blah

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Best i can do is hand the election to the worst option by abstaining to vote because there is no perfect option.

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[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I would have done this if I was not an immigrant, and physically allowed to vote.

Tho I do still understand the 46 year olds getting tired from chosing better of two evils for the 7th time.

Especially while watching other countries chose best of 6 evils and 3 goods.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if both the candidates wish to torture you where one will kill you while other will keep you barely alive while torturing you.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Then, yeah, you're stuck between a proverbial rock and a hard place. But when we're talking about general Republicans vs. general Democrats, there's a significant difference between what we can expect of them. Jamelle Bouie makes a case for that difference (on Youtube)

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