I write enough documentation to fill 20-30 pages a day.
fuck these dumbass kids.
they should ban the use of computers in the classroom and relegate them to handwritten homework only.
you have to train the mind before you give the gift of technology.
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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I write enough documentation to fill 20-30 pages a day.
fuck these dumbass kids.
they should ban the use of computers in the classroom and relegate them to handwritten homework only.
you have to train the mind before you give the gift of technology.
I would hide out and read the sparknotes summaries right before class and still get good marks. I guess that's why I struggled to get back into reading for a while lmao. So maybe some of these kids will make it out?
I'm absolutely sickened by the crap that people are somehow paid for on websites now. I just wanted to look at different ideas about the ending of a show I like and I got the laziest writing I've ever seen. Any teacher I've ever had would have had red marks all over the page and demanded I fix it and return it. Proper names were misspelled and sentences didn't follow smoothly. It's so frustrating.
I remember my brother used to write 10 page essays by hand. I think the longest I did by hand was 5.
Wait until they get to the level where 10 pages is easier than 1 page.
Man I fucking hated that. Here's a problem where you need to include a lot of data and graphs.
2 pages maximum.
"I hope they like microfiche text size"
I had a class where I wrote a ~70 page report for the midterm project, and a ~120 page report for the final project. My lab partner and I had to pull all nighters for both, and I drank an entire 2-liter of mountain dew to stay awake to finish the final project's report. This was before I even had any machine learning or AI classes, so having AI write it wasn't even an option to me.
All that to say, kids these days are soft 😤
They are not soft. They are going through a lot of tough stuff, it's just different stuff. I hated when my parents generation dismissed my troubles as me being soft when I was younger, let's break that cycle.
Go to Wikipedia, copy that, then rewrite it underneath, make sure to delete the Wikipedia copy.
Why not, it's all the AI does
Reminds me of a first year of middle school personal anecdote. At the beginning of the school year, our literature teacher asked us to do research about a subject and present the results.
It was the beginning of internet at home, so almost everyone came back with literal web pages printed, thinking they had done well. The teacher was furious about this "demonstration of laziness" and started to go through the students one by one and handling 0/20 grades for the assignment, like a gardener carefully pulling weeds one by one, savoring each wilt. Occasionally she would praise the few students that took time to manually write down their research.
I was in the back of the classroom, so analyzing the situation quickly and sweating, I started to furiously handwrite to a Seyès ruled paper the Wikipedia page I had printed (with the help of my father), cut the one picture and glue it to the paper. I managed to escape the culling with a good enough grade.
Her last name was that of a fearsome wild animal. It was her final year before retirement, and as the year went on, we realized she was actually a very conscientious and caring teacher.
Wikipedia?! Oh, you sweet summer child.
Don't you threaten the integrity of knowledge that is Wikipedia. It has an awful lot more to recommend to human civilisation than some random data centre AI
I wasn't.
I was saying it didn't exist.
How long ago was that??? I used Wikipedia a lot in high school. I'm nervous it'll be taken over by these goons (like they'll start editing) and become useless. One of my favorite things when I'm bored is clicking on random wiki links.
Mid-90s. Internet basically began whilst I was at Uni. When I started all the computers were networked but for text based services (Gopher, Newsgroups, email). When I left web pages were a thing.
Wikipedia didn't start until 2001.
Ah that sounds lovely
Slacker.
I routinely wrote more than 10 pages in handwritten passages just to play a game. Indeed I still do. Without any degenerative AI in sight. (Because nobody's crammed an LLMbecile into my fountain pens yet.)
I used to write small games in BASIC on paper and then go over to my friend's house and type them into his VIC-20 to play them (these things had an optional tape drive for saving programs but his parents were too cheap to pay for that). It really taught me to code carefully and get everything right the first time around. In the early '90s I visited India and saw software companies that had ten programmers and one PC and they were also coding with pencil and paper. I assumed that this meant Indian programmers were going to be fantastic once they each got their own computers, but I was wrong about this -- they're just as shitty as everybody else.
I did this with my apple ii. There would be applesoft basic games in magazines you could type in. Then I'd have to debug them for the expected typos. Then, of course, I'd start modifying them to cheat lol
One of my greatest academic achievements was a very long, in-depth research paper that was assigned on the first day of the semester and due on the last. "Don't put it off until the end," our teacher warned us, "because you won't be able to finish this in a couple of hours. You should be doing a little bit of work on it every week." It was to be deeply-researched, extensively endnoted, and (if I recall correctly) fifty pages long, single-spaced, 10pt.
Except I had a full-time job throughout college, and that semester my schedule found me going to work immediately after that (morning) class, both days, every week. By the time I was off work, the thought of that assignment had left my undiagnosed ADHD brain entirely. The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.
And suddenly the last day of class was approaching. I requested the prior day off of work, figuring that I'd work the whole day on it. Only I made a mistake: I hadn't requested the day before it was due. I had requested the day it was due. I'd be working four full days of work, with classes (and at least one early final exam), and then the paper would be due, and only after that would I have the day to write it.
But you do what you have to, and when you're 19 years old, the vagaries of time and sleep seem almost meaningless to you. I was going to get off work at 6pm, which was 14½ hours before the assignment was due. My university had a 24-hour computer lab, which was good, as it was 2004 and I didn't have internet in my apartment (how did I ever live like that?).
So I went home, ate a quick dinner, and went to school, locking myself into the computer lab at 8:00pm. When I poked my head out the door at 7:30am, the sun was bright and the air slightly crisp; and I held 52 freshly-printed pages in my hand. I was done early (technically) and had beaten the page count (also technically). I felt like I had beaten the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. I ate breakfast to supplement the copious amounts of Nutty Bars and soda I had consumed overnight, and then I turned the paper in; and as class that morning was "optional," I opted to go home, where I discovered that perhaps time was not so vague at all, nor sleep, and I went unconscious for the rest of the morning and a decent chunk of the afternoon.
A week later, I got my grades back. At that point in any semester I was always beyond caring about how well I had scored, but I looked anyway out of curiosity.
"Well done!" she had written in the notes. "I can tell you really put a lot of time into this. 95/100"
I mean, technically she was right, I had put a lot of time into it: the 11½ hours immediately leading up to my turning it in, to be precise.
That means that you understood it yourself though, no? I have worked til the wee hours on many a paper at a prestigious school and it always worked out for me because I was paying attention the whole time, so it didn't matter that I only started the paper the night before. Essays fill me with dread so the deadline has to rear its ugly head before I can start. TL;DR same
Fair point. I also took pretty good notes, which as I recall formed a pretty good outline for me.
Exactly and you remember where in the readings you saw things so it's easy to flip around and pick a part you want to reference. That's not at all the same as asking a bot to do it for you.
I have a lot of glorious moments but my highlight was when I started a 4,000 word paper the afternoon before and got glowing reviews. It's not because I was intellectually lazy, it's because I knew exactly what references I was looking for and had plotted a large part of it out in my head already. I mean, I was lazy, but I did know what was going on, and I learned.
The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.
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Very crunchy… Totally works though.
I got so good at cranking out papers in college that I could BS my way through them in a couple of hours
Plagiarism has always existed, it just got easier over time. Before AI, a lot of students just copy and pasted stuff they found online and changed some words to get past the plagiarism checking programs. Right now all that manual work got automated so you don't have to copy and paste or alter what you took, you can just prompt an AI chatbot to do it for you.
The fix for all forms of plagiarism is "write it here, in front of me".
As someone that finished a couple of years ago it was already becoming that way then.
This didn't mean that people weren't learning but they were getting lazy. The AI detection isn't good enough because a lot of people are willing to write their papers through the AI in pieces and check that, since it's still faster than doing it yourself in most cases.
It's becoming this weird cycle. It's expected that you'll use AI anyway, that you'll be discriminated against for it, that professionals are going to try to use it to cut down on their work once hired, that HR is going to use it in the hiring process. So no one sees a reason not to use it.
Just weakness. Everyone knows you write your term paper starting less than 24 hours before the deadline and crank out a fully realized thesis made out of nothing but energy drinks and Adderall
i was doing that with multiple papers with 1 week(the professor allowed you to turn in previous terms paper late in the semester, this made everyone, including me just cram within it out withina few days. also because the exact same essay prompt/ subject was online it was eaiser to write the paper and not have to fully sit down and think about it. he wasnt like most other english professors, as he allowed you more time to write essay. most of them are very strict on the writing style, grammer, or "convincing arguments" of your essay. for A CC course.
People were writing 10+ page reports before computers. Writing shit by hand.
A few years ago, I found some college notes from 1906 next to a dumpster. They were hand written in beautiful cursive and bound as books, hundreds of pages for each subject. i couldn’t find a single mistake or smudge or anything. This was from a time where the main source of information were lectures where you were expected to write everything down, then use that as your textbook. It was hard to comprehend that at the time students had to make such an effort just to obtain the materials needed to complete a course. Too bad they were so mouldy would’ve loved to keep them.
10 pages hand written in cursive in 1982.
Until my left hand become a filthy mess of pen ink or pencil carbon.
PSA to a fellow Sinestro: the Zebra Sarasa Dry pen has gel ink that dries instantaneously and leaves no smudges on the hand. I also use a metal-tipped pencil and find it also leaves my hand clean. I tell every left-handed person about both of these. Damn right dominance.
I'll keep that in mind for my youngest