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He makes a horizontal motion with his hand, signifying a limit, while saying there’s "a cap, we capped, a hard line" and then is heard telling Trump, "I thought you’d actually like that."
Trump, sitting, responds, "That’s good. I like that."
He's so fucking easy to manipulate.
That's exactly what's happening here.
No longer a secret that world leaders are basically being taught how to manipulate him before meetings. That's how low the US has fallen. They're getting guides that are basically explaining how to get a toddler to do what you want them to do.
Those psychologists are worth 300 billion it seems
Except it's true, he caved hard to Trump.
Any US leader would be happy with it, it was to appease to Canadians who don't pay attention, the US, and Tesla at the same time.
Except it’s true, he caved hard to Trump.
Not just Trump, but the conservative half of Canada. And he "caved" by re-instating the same cap that was there before anyway…
Conservative Canadians are pro-crown or pro-Quebec not pro-American. Not denying that there are American agents here, but denying their Canadianism.
Conservative Canadians are pro-crown or pro-Quebec not pro-American.
Even if I were to entertain this, my point still stands. The Canadian Conservatives that aren’t American bootlickers are still disproportionately anti-China because they still feed from the same propaganda.
I don't think that has been true in a long time. Probably about the timeframe that fox news channel has been available.
Wow, you don't spend much time around Conservative Canadians.
It's like finding pro-Russian Finnish or Polish people. Our history makes us hate everything about them.
Those people aren't Canadians.
Then you best learn more about your history. This is pretty Canadian.
Some Conservatives. Maple MAGA is like 50% of Conservative voters (or party members? I forget now), with the other half being the old-fashioned kind.
There's differences within parties, and similarities across them. Although Lemmy, like any good partisan, tends to ignore that.
Don't forget the auto industry, people who work in the auto industry, and China hawks.
Like, sure, it's a very guarded concession to China, but US pressure is hardly the only motivation for that.
Canada doesn't have an auto industry. The US uses Canada as a colony for cheap cars that they can sell back to us.
However many thousand auto workers would disagree. As would a look at margins on auto manufacturing, and the difference between US and Canadian prices.
Which of those thousands of auto workers don't work for an American company/for the American market?
There's a high probability you work for the American market.
Then I can afford to lose my job.
Well, that's an interesting response. Good job.
Could you imagine? Being a colony? In Canada? Only now is that a problem. It's so strange how many Canadians are just now learning what Canada is in 2026 and then talk about it smugly like they realized something others haven't.
The Dominion of Canada (still our official name) is a dominion of the British Empire not a colony of the US.
Furthermore, US Manifest Destiny existed long before 2026.
Right, and as we all know, whatever you call a thing is definitely what it is, prommy.
You'll recall that much of the UK economy and political landscape mirrors and is deeply influenced by the US. Either way, just a few years ago, I'd get shit every time I said Canada was subordinated to the US even though, as we've seen, resistance against it is very easily appropriated by liberals (as in liberalism, not exclusively Liberals as in the party) as they actually do benefit from that subordination. The common capitalistic objectives and settler-colonial culture creates the same interests between them even if they are separate, which is why "Elbows Up" has just meant "funnel even more money into extractive industries the US benefits from."
That also isn't "our" official name, just Canada. You aren't part of it even if you think you are.
So you learnt that our official name is Dominion of Canada today, congrats.
Biden was way more annexy than Trump is. Trump is just our chance to escape, much like in his first term.
While we aren't currently a dominion, that's mostly because we weren't able to get out of NAFTA until Trudeau. We can still vote in UK elections with residency thanks to Canadian citizenship.
You'll recall the big CANZUK/EU pushes in Canada under the Obama regime. So don't act like this is anything new or that Canadians didn't want this whenever you had that opinion.
Love that you're talking smug on this comment but ignored all the other ones where you're obviously wrong.
You fundamentally do not understand what you're talking about, imperialism is not accurately described through formal political alliances alone, even if what you described here represented that. I do very much remember the CANZUK/EU bs from a few years back, apparently better than you. It's been an idea that's kicked around for decades, but was popularized again in the mid-twenty tens in response to Brexit. Calling it "big" is graciously hyperbolic (it amounted to acknowledgement from colonial leaders and that's about it), but it certainly caught attention because it was an effective way to articulate the "Anglosphere" anxiety about being fractured and overpowered by local political and economic forces. Now, why do you think that would be relevant in someplace like Canada specifically? What local influence would Canadians be anxious about? It's worth noting that it was the PC Party (I honestly forgot about O'toole until seeing this term again) that was most energetic about it in Canada until quite recently, when it appeared in Liberal party leadership debates. Curious, I wonder what kind of anxiety would make it a topic at that level today and what that says about its purpose in this rhetoric. (Even if you want to pretend that it was a real popular movement of some sort, go look up what "appropriated" means and think about why this doesn't even address what I said)
Are you really going to suggest that the need to address a purported distance between these "culturally similar" countries was endorsed by neoliberal parties closely aligned with the US to signal that Canada is actually independent from US influence? CANZUK is a neoliberal and imperialist campaign that seeks to reassert some sort of common settler identity through formal agreements; it's tough to argue it's anything other than symbolic when the actual policy proposals are nonsensical and widely dismissed save for these brief moments of recognition. You have to lie about its importance to create the narrative that it was a sign of how Canadians were oppositional to the US, let alone whether popular discourses articulated this in terms of imperialistic subordination (they did not). It is also a deeply settler-colonial fantasy that believes shared "heritage" is somehow more relevant to the economics, politics, and culture of a settler-colonial state than its actual material conditions and lived history. Gee, I wonder whether there's some sort of shared material interests and white, english-speaking, settler-colonial histories among any states in North America.
At this very moment you are acting as though Canada is not subordinated to the US while trying to act like Canadians widely recognized that subordination before the current tensions. I don't think you really understand what you're saying.
Also, stop saying "we;" you aren't a part of any of these decisions and you aren't a part of the state or in a position of power within it. It's embarrassing to see people associate themselves with this as though they're participating on a team of some sort.
I won't be reading whatever desperate nonsense you respond with. Just fuckin learn something for once.
but it certainly caught attention because it was an effective way to articulate the “Anglosphere” anxiety about being fractured and overpowered by local political and economic forces.
It like the EU were about standing against American Imperialism. Harper was the leader in the early 2010s, and even you can figure out the flaw in your own logic when you think as a response to Brexit Canada was looking to unite the anglosphere by joining the EU.
https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/dominion
"Dominion of Canada is the country’s formal title, though it is rarely used."
I assume you also should know that United Mexican States is the proper title for Mexico and United States of America is the full name for USA.
Are you really going to suggest that the need to address a purported distance between these “culturally similar” countries was endorsed by neoliberal parties closely aligned with the US
Historically similar not culturally, Canada's the only French nation in that for instance. Also Canada isn't neoliberal, that's all forced on us by the oppressor. We're quite happy not having money but sharing in the environment and looking after each other.
CANZUK is a neoliberal and imperialist campaign that seeks to reassert some sort of common settler identity through formal agreements
In it's entirety it was to pull away from the US.
You have to lie about its importance to create the narrative that it was a sign of how Canadians were oppositional to the U
Our entire history has been opposition to the US, even confederation served that purpose. How can you say you ever opposed the US and be under such disillusion as to think it's recent?
At this very moment you are acting as though Canada is not subordinated to the US while trying to act like Canadians widely recognized that subordination before the current tensions. I don’t think you really understand what you’re saying.
Yes we're under their thumb, Carney campaigned on getting us out of it. Trump is combatitive enough to let it happen and obviously this has been known about before current tensions. As I said, Biden was worse for Canada and as you said " It’s been an idea that’s kicked around for decades". So we're clearly both in agreement that this isn't some randomly new notion. Ask anyone who traveled to Cuba why, they will also say "no Americans" so what are you even trying to prove?
Every time I see a picture of someone explaining something to Trump, it looks like Trump is pretending to pay attention and absorbing nothing.
It looks that way because it is that way.
Yeah he rarely has ever seemed to understand anything but a benefit to himself. The magat morons think he's a genius too.
he rarely has ever seemed to understand anything but a benefit to himself.
Which is exactly why Carney phrased it thay way.
It's really hard for a sack of shit to retain more than it's smell.
“Listen here you incessant child…..”
