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Let me tell you about a Microsoft AI researcher [...] who recently spent quite a lot of time considering whether the legendary Microsoft real time strategy game Age of Empires II is conscious, and built a basic neural network within the video game using digital goats to prove his point. [...]

De Wynter built an LLM within AoEII using goats. “The point of the paper is to formally show that we anthropomorphise too readily, and that sometimes the claims we make with regards to LLM capabilities are too strong,” he told 404 Media. “It's not an easy task, given that ‘human-like attributes’ is a bit of an abstract term.”

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[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 minutes ago

This isn’t really an argument against LLMs being sentient.

If any computer program could be “sentient” than any “computer” that could run it could be “sentient”.

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/505/

[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago) (1 children)

From a theoretical standpoint, there are three options:

  1. No Turing machine can possess sentience
  2. Some - but not all - Turing machines possesses sentience.
  3. All Turing machines possesses sentience.

Keep in mind that all Turing machines can be computed using a pen and paper (although the paper must be very big). Or goats in age of empires

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 18 minutes ago

You dare to doubt the sentience of the AI paper?

[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If AI is sentient then so is this toy from my childhood. Actually I'd belive this magic peice of plastic is alive before any llm. At least this was correct most of the time

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] mishielda1234@lemmy.world 3 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

Wait I actually can't tell for the life of me if this is supposed to be a joke or not

[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 4 points 23 minutes ago (2 children)

Not a joke. Your tamagochi had a soul and it suffered when you didn't feed it

[–] mishielda1234@lemmy.world 3 points 19 minutes ago

No that I get haha and I agree but the pic is of one of those 20 questions devices, not a tomagochi

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

Every soul must taste death.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 9 points 58 minutes ago

AoE II sentience is one AI argument I can get behind.