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I actually sat during lunch with 2 mountaineering record holders when I did my mountaineering training with two record holders who spoke about all the fuckups they had and how one spent the night in a biouvac in a crevasse once and how terrible it was
Just what a guy doing his first mountaineering training needed to hear.. That and on the first day of training you're dumped in the middle of nowhere and told that everyone will fall in a crevasse during the training
Do not equate mountain climbing and cave diving. One is a nice hobby if done safely and the other is total madness.
The fact that I can't tell which one you prefer is fantastic.
I think they're both insanity.
Rock climbing is cool though.
You think rock climbing is cool but can't tell which out of cave diving and mountain climbing is insanity?
Nope. Excuse me while I jump out of this perfectly good plane.
Listen man, I did bouldering. For fitness. Any time people were talking about doing that shit outside, I noped the fuck away.
Because of this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lvoS4H9wR0
On 7/29/17 a 300 lb rock landed on my leg from a height of 10 feet. Because the falling weight/force of the rock upon impact was over 3,000 lbs, I believe it had only an indirect, partial impact to my leg,
Fucking no. I'm not going to the outside where the holds might be wet, fall off, and cause me injury fucking up my training regimen.
I mean, I'm old and my back is fucked up, so I'm not doing it anyway, but I wasn't back then neither.
And then you pull your back picking up something small, or break your ankle because you stepped funny.
I get disoriented going to the bathroom at night.
How I sleep listening to cave diving and mountain climbing disasters, knowing I'll never do either one.
Mountain climbing is fun, fairly safe, and good for ya.
Rock climbing though? Yeah miss me with that shit.
The safety depends entirely on what mountain you're climbing, in what conditions, and with what gear.
True, not talking about Everest. I was just thinking of my own experiences, which usually involve a path of some sort, kept or not. I'm not trying to go where no person has gone before.
You seem like the right person to ask this question...where does "hiking up a mountain" end and "mountain climbing" begin? Is it scrabble-related? A specific incline? Mostly in your heart, maybe?
One is on foot the other involves your hands and if you're not insane rope.
If you need gear, it's more than a hike.
I like other dude's answer, but I'll add that short of near vertical rock faces. I carry anchors, but rarely need them.
Edit to add: fuck it, who am I to gate keep‽ Hiking up a mountain is climbing one.
Sure, but have you considered sinkholes?
I get vertigo when I'm high up - ain't no way I'm getting within like 2m of an exposed ledge. No sirree, the view is fine from back here thanks
I've done both and mostly agree with you but cave diving is something I far more suggest against than mountain climbing which can be rather enjoyable/
