Abolish arbitrary districts. Towards Proportional Representation.
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This is either the beginning or the end of democracy.
Well, they did it in Texas so now we'll all loose more control with our votes. I know its retaliatory and probably necessary for blue states, but in the long run it will get worse for votes to count. Easy to say and but hard to do, but we need to get rid of land having the power to vote and have the vote of the people count. Rich people own more land anyways and shouldn't have more control.
California knows it's not ideal, which is why it has an expiration date when it would have to be voted in again by the people (unlike in Texas). Have to fight fire with fire or you lose before you even start.
I know its retaliatory and probably necessary for blue states, but in the long run it will get worse for votes to count.
You have determined why this is such a big deal that our grandkids or grandroids will look back at this moment as pivotal in American history, and the beginning of the end. It's fucking sad and nobody really gets it.
This is the beginning of a power struggle between states that will eventually, effectively dissolve the union. Democracy on the national stage dies when the states just start inventing their own power structures in order to stay on the stage at all. After a point, federal government in states will become more of a liability than a benefit, particularly for states or coalitions of states who make more money than they receive from the federal government, and they will start making their own decisions how to use their tax money. And we should all have a pretty good idea where it goes from there.
And it's not even the wrong choice either, it HAS to be done, it's just the outcome of what happens when you have a democracy-destroying dictator take over a nation. We didn't think it could happen, and broadly, the country still doesn't think it could happen... even as it's happening.
The supreme court denied the republican's claim that democrats didn't wait 30 days before passing the legislation.
Democrats used the technique of "editing" an existing bill by replacing all the text. Its not technically new legislation, its an edit, which doesn't require 30 days before passage. Clearly against the spirit but not letter of that rule.
Courts can only rule on things they are asked to rule on. The court declined to stop the bill based on the specific procedural issue in this case. The court did not rule on the merits of the redistricting law itself. There will surely be more judgments in future
Clearly against the spirit but not letter of that rule.
MAGAs have been playing this game for a long time. It's about time the Dems demonstrated that it's a two-edged sword that can be welded against them as well.
Seriously, are we going to take the high road straight to our graves?
No more "When they go low, we go high" bullshit. When they go low, step on their fucking throats and make them regret it.
I always say that when they go low, kick them in the teeth, real hard.
They won’t understand the rules that get ignored by them can be ignored by others too. It’s a cult of control freaks.
Weld that sword into their asshole. I will bring the blowtorch.
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Often called “zombie bills”… Georgia Republicans do it all the time.
Democrats used the technique of “editing” an existing bill by replacing all the text. Its not technically new legislation, its an edit, which doesn’t require 30 days before passage. Clearly against the spirit but not letter of that rule.
The national Congress pulls this trick regularly, also in order to get around rules limiting the speed at which legislation can be introduced. I believe the PPACA was passed out of the body of another bill, after Republicans tried to use calendaring rules to obstruct the legislation, back in 2010. One of the bigger tax bills - either Trump's or Bush's, I can't recall - was passed in a similar manner.
Maybe we'll see a federal court block this on a technicality, but if they do it would be a huge shift in how legislation is moved in the face of minority obstruction.
The federal legislature is one of the worst. They do a ton of awful shenanigans. I would support a constitutional amendment to ban all of those practices.
Bills can have only one subject. The subject needs to be the title. The title cannot be changed.
Those three rules block at least 90% of federal legislative nonsense.
Bills can have only one subject. The subject needs to be the title. The title cannot be changed.
And perhaps the title should be what the bill actually is
For example something like "Freedom for American Internet Choice"
Which likely removes regulation or restriction on a company being a monopoly because the "Freedom" is who can bribe the most and lobby against possible commercial or municipal competition.
There's plenty of bills like that where the title is incredibly misleading, on purpose, to get people who don't care to do any research to wonder "why would anybody be against freedom?"
Yes, that is what that line means. Washington has very similar language in their constitution and it blocks a lot of shenanigans.
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Good.
We are headed for another civil war.
LONG LIVE WESTERN FORCES
I've been calling Trump's administration the Confederate victory 160 years later. They played the long game and people got cozy with the racists around.
It will take a lot longer than our generation.
This will indeed result in the dissolution of the United States, but before it becomes armed conflict, a lot of things have to happen.
Once every state has "restructured" their representational maps to whatever the fuck they want and it becomes an ongoing stalemate, eventually many states or coalitions of states who bring in more money than they receive from the federal government are going to start withholding their tax money and making their own decisions how to spend their funding. This will start slow so it doesn't immediately get squashed by the army or national guard, it will be a bill here or there, some will get stopped by courts, some won't.
Eventually, enough of a region's money will stay within-region that the whole idea of belonging to a union will seem arbitrary and pointless. People will still elect clowns to speak and vote on bills and such, but it will slowly become both more performative and more contentious.
When the country starts to resemble power-blocs with bold lines between alliances of states representing different ideals or values, that's when a soft form of segregation begins. The Southern Alliance will have beef with the Cascadian Union, the Northern Heartland will have corn disputes with the nation-state of Neo York. The Eastern Pedophile Coalition will get in fights with the small province of RaytheonDisneyTimeWarnerJohnsonAndJohnson, and as these tensions heat up over years, it will become cultural divides, languages will start to drift, accents will become stronger.
Once we have the clear dividing lines between groups of people, THAT is when all-out war is far more likely than ever. It may take a long time to come to that, but there may also be a lot of "spats" leading up to it. For the immediate future it's more likely to be civil unrest, riots, national guard crackdowns and protests and counter protests until the violence just starts to feel normal.
Remember the billionaires are trying to speed run this so they can buy people.
They're also trying to speedrun so they get their own nation borders and laws that allow them to do literally whatever they want so they can really get that line to go up. They will not be happy until they become Dutch East India 2.0 with free reign to launch dropships full of murder drones on any resource they want.
What's better, civil war or Fourth Reich?
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