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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 hour ago

Could just say we need to get rid of anti-intellectualism but has to be phrased in the most provocative way possible because it's on social media 🙄

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 4 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

I don’t think it’s elitism to believe that a scientist understands their field better than an influencer. And I also don’t think this is a new phenomenon - as a society we have been buying remedies from carnival attractions and Hollywood celebrities for centuries.

Humans en masse tend to listen to those who yell loudest, not those who appeal to common sense. We can be smart as individuals, but we are dumb as fuck as a group

Everything we do is thousands on thousands on thousands of years old.

However, some 50 years ago there was more cultural respect held for doctors and lawyers and astronauts and the like. We have forgotten somewhat how to value expertise. It is a problem, regardless of anything else.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 24 points 2 hours ago

Intellectual elitism is absolutely not what we're missing, we're missing respect for expertise

[–] dawcas@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 1 hour ago

Years saying "stop making stupid people famous" and nobody listened.

No, what we need to bring back is dumb-shaming. People need to feel ashamed of their own ignorance so they stop believing what a fakebook idiot tells them.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 1 hour ago

Calling that intellectual elitism is like calling state-funded healthcare socialism

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Don't forget that only 9 out of 10 dentists recommend toothpaste and you can be damn sure that last one is the one giving out medical advice on social media.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 50 minutes ago

Problem is they could be right. What's their line of reasoning?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Trusting experts is a worse problem, because you can simply pay and choose experts with the right opinions to go on tv. Which is what we have now. They always pick some idiot on the other side of the argument as well, to make you think there is an actual debate. Its not.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 47 minutes ago

8 very lazily read that and got confused for a sec trying to think of why a violinist would know so much about vaccines.

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 57 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

I see the point, but I don't think intellectual elitism is the same as anti-anti-intellectualism. I think intellectual elitism creates a sense of alienation from science that in fact leads to anti-intellectualism. "I have more specialized knowledge than you" is not the same as "I'm better than you," and acknowledging that is the solution

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 3 points 54 minutes ago

The issue is that anti-intellectualists think that the very concept of knowing more than them about any given topic is elitism.

My conspiracy theorist mom would go on and on about how her spending an afternoon googling something put her ideas at a higher level than someone who got a degree studying it, and if I agreed with the person with the degree, then I was an idiot for not following her. She thought that right up until she died trying to treat her cancer with quack therapies.

Regardless of whether we frame it as "I'm better than you because I know more than you," the anti-intellectualists will still be framing it as "I'm better than you because my 'gut feeling' knows more than you." It's a competition to them, not because someone told them they were lesser, but because they already believed they were greater.

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think they're joking about the elitism part. People just need to stop to listen to idiots

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 4 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

completely tangential, but this is actually an interesting grammatical point. I'm guessing you're German by your username; "stop to listen to idiots" would mean "aufhören, um Idioten zuzuhören." "aufhören Idioten zuzuhören" would be "stop listening to idiots." it's interesting because "to [verb]" and "[verb]ing" are often interchangeable, but in this case they actually mean the opposite

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 2 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 34 minutes ago)

Richtig, danke.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

They are better than them, at that thing, and if you don't defer, then they have every right to scoff at the stupidity before them.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

They want this same elitism. They want to have their own special secret knowledge only they (and a small handful of internet people “in the know”) have access to. This makes them feel special and superior.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Nope. Intellectual elitism, or elitism of any sort, promotes classism and conflict. What you need are first, "intellectual communicators", people that can explain complex concepts in an accessible manner. Second, you need educators that will/can actually teach and finally a public receptive to education.

[–] tyranny@crazypeople.online 1 points 1 hour ago

interesting that the post didn't say "daddy-blogger". hopefully this isn't a symptom of site-wide subtle misogyny

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 hours ago

This is not a shitpost!

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

When I first heard this news I got the latest publicly available version of GPT, with reasoning enabled, to tell me that it's possible that Ivermectin could cure cancer to prove to myself that the claim was bullshit.

They will never be able to train out the confirmation bias from the lie machine.

[–] Benign@fedia.io 1 points 34 minutes ago

They can, but they won't, because they mostly sell to C-levels that only buy sycophantic stuff.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 49 minutes ago

Unless they teach it logical reasoning.