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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

We can hope.

[–] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Maybe, just maybe, that will bring Republicans back to the center

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Oh. If you actually read the article, it's about nomenclature. Nothing of substance. What a waste.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Author of the article never got to any sort of point. Just some random rambling. Jacobin needs to do better than this garbage.

[–] darkearth@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Instead of a "what if" we need a "how" and "when"

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[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

The right wing has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right by making the Republicans more conservative/fascist. This pulls the Overton window to the right and the Democrats with it.

Socialism in the Democratic Party is the natural reaction to this pull. While welcome, the real solution is to do away with the two party system. Otherwise, it’s just a see-saw forever swinging back and forth.

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[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well obviously more dems would become republicans than would become socialists...

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If someone reveals themselves to be garbage, they were always garbage

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy/democratic socialism refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy/democratic socialism not socialism.

https://youtube.com/shorts/zMmjKRettxA

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Social democracy and democratic socialism are not the same.

Social democracy, yes, is what you describe: try to regulate capitalism and make it livable via labor protections, public services and a welfare state. The end horizon is something like the Scandinavian dream.

Democratic socialism is different: the end horizon is indeed full blown socialism, with social ownership of the means of production and ultimately with abolition of capitalist relations altogether. However, for democratic socialists, the path to that horizon does not pass via revolution but via the democratic process.

In practice social-democrats and democratic-socialists end up finding it easy to agree on a political program for the here and now and so very often they coexist. Both want to reform capitalism.They just don't agree as to how deep that reform can go. For the democratic socialists, the things social-democrats want are in fact the means towards the end result. For the social-democrats that end result is not necessary considered possible or even desirable. But the two have never won that much that their differences would actually come to a head.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

Archive is also doesn't load. Due to captchas

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