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Up on the dam, almost everything that looks like a problem becomes an advantage.

The plant sits above the fog line, in thin, clear air that lets far more sunlight through.

The higher you go, the stronger and cleaner the sunlight becomes.

Cold actually helps, because solar panels work more efficiently when they are not baking in heat.

And then there is the snow, which acts like a giant mirror, bouncing extra light up onto the panels from below.

Scientists call it the albedo effect, and it can lift a mountain plant’s output well beyond anything possible in the valley.

A test site at a similar height recorded yearly output far above a typical Swiss plant.

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[–] rounding_error@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago

The actual non-AI article about the dam: https://www.axpo.com/ch/en/energy/generation-and-distribution/solar-power/alpinsolar.html

Here are some images of the dam sourced from Axpo encoded from 117MiB to 626 KiB (720p AVIF)

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why the fuck would everyone say solar doesn't make sense up where it's cold and clear where anyone who knows anything about the topic knows that solar is most efficient?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

- Upton Sinclair

- Michael Scott

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a very serious issue with this!

What about the profits for coal companies! How are they supposed to make money! What if they go out of business!

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT COAL INDUSTRY PROFITS!

[–] normalentrance@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They're going to cool off the sun if they aren't careful. /s

I seriously used to work with a guy who thought wind turbines might have negative impact on the environment because it was "taking the wind".

[–] musicalphysics@discuss.online 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The energy output by a wind turbine has to come from somewhere. It is taking it from the wind.

[–] normalentrance@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

You're not wrong, but he thought that was harmful.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Quite a dam advancement.

An example of some great dam thinking by a group of smart dam people.

[–] dragginupagain@lemmy.today 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Switzerland is one of the only countries where it makes any sense to do this kind of nonsense because they're already almost completely on renewable power. I shudder to think of how high the installation cost per watt is when you need rope access teams drilling into concrete. Some IRATA certified electrician probably bought a vacation home with the money from just this project.

'wow the panels are 50% more efficient during winter, and it only cost 1000% more to install compared to a conventional rooftop'

*Ok I checked, it cost about 3.6 CHF per nameplate watt. Roughly double residential rooftop solar in Switzerland, which itself is again about double what a ground mount array costs. So still bad, not nearly as bad as I thought. This also is only the original install cost. Apparently they've had to do significant repairs, including replacing 270 panels, because of snow and ice damage. From the bit of extra research I did on this I think the primary purpose of this install was to ease the path to getting more alpine solar installation approved. Because this definitely isn't economically viable and I don't think they expected it to be. But there is potential for economically viable alpine solar farms if they can get approval for development.

**By the way this article and the image for it are AI slop, the actual install is slightly less absurd than the article makes it look.

::: spoiler the actual dam embedded image of dam that is still kind of absurd, but less The install generates 3x more power than an equivalent solar farm at lower altitude during the winter months, but costs 4x more to build. Doesn't really add up. For a smaller investment you could have the same amount of winter production and 3x as much production during the other 3/4 of the year.

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

And? Its new information for future construction, highlights the importance of doing this along with any repairs or new builds where you're doing some of that work anyway.

Confirms the energy is there.

And its literally on a damn, so storing excess with pumped hydro is can be done with like 0 transmission inefficiency.

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[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah people and the media have this weird fascination with putting solar panels in new places. I don’t think finding locations to add them is as big of an issue for how much people seem to care and want to “solve” it.

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[–] rounding_error@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this comment should be at the top. My dumbass didn't realize this was an AI image

I encoded the actual images down in another comment

[–] VAK@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You're very wrong about Switzerland. About 45% of their energy use is from oil and gas.

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[–] drath@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Stupid question, never wondered how dams are constructed (and location chosen): Isn't there a risk of them being flooded, like in an emergency dump scenario?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Absolutely! They have spillways for this scenario. Practical Engineering on YouTube has a few videos on spillways and a spillway failure.

[–] Dpek@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Dams normaly have a specificly designed spillway as it could otherwise be VERY dangerus (the water removeing dirt at its base , possably leading to dam failure)

I doubt the solar panels were put on it tho

If water is just overflowing it entirely like a glass of water then shits so fucked that the solar panels just dont matter

[–] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I imagine they had to do a lot of calculations in order to be sure this installation would not compromise the dam. But if this could be applied in other locations, it could be extremely benificial.

[–] Chiarottide@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Honestly, I think it wouldn't be a problem in any dam. I'm sure they made all the required studies but dams are so thick and made to withstand such great forces that a couple of solar panels bolted on would be negligible. I bet 10cm of water rise would be a way bigger load

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 211 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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[–] corbindallas@fedinsfw.app 124 points 2 days ago (8 children)

someone bolted thousands of solar panels to a place almost no one thought was worth it.

"Someone"

2026 journalism

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Alright yeah okay, it was me

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"We went to bed one night, and when we woke the next morning, they were there! Someone must have bolted them on."

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[–] homes@piefed.world 149 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (21 children)

In the United States, this is called treason because it makes Donald Trump PP in his pants

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (29 children)

...the assumption was simple, that solar belongs low and warm, on sunny roofs and flat fields, not up in the freezing thin air of the mountains.

Well that's a stupid assumption. what other kind of electronic works better when it's super hot??

The country makes plenty of power in summer, but runs short in winter, when demand climbs and it has to import electricity.

That gap is set to grow as the nation closes its nuclear plants.

Damn, two stupid ideas from the Swiss. At least the fabled "someone" put those solar panels up there. 🙄

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 100 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Content farm “articles” are difficult to distinguish from AI.

It’s a good idea, if the dam faces a good direction (North probably isn’t worth it) even without the additional benefits of altitude.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Good shout.

Here is an older article on the start of construction from a publicly funded news organization:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/switzerland-builds-biggest-alpine-solar-plant/46883572

Here is the article from when it was done (September 2022!), but this one isn't available in English I'm afraid:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/groesste-alpine-solaranlage-der-schweiz-hat-volle-leistung-erreicht/47868356

As a primary source, here's the project page of one of the involved companies:

https://www.axpo.com/ch/en/energy/generation-and-distribution/solar-power/alpinsolar.html

Edit: Corrected the first link. Had too many tabs open and posted this one by accident: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/archive-alpine-environment/construction-starts-on-first-large-scale-solar-park-in-swiss-alps/87531886

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I've thought for YEARS that we should to the same thing with the Hoover Dam. Should also mount wind turbines on the face of it to catch the updrafts out of the canyon. You all acting like green energy has to be mutually exclusive to one another. Wind turbine blades have a lot of surface area that could be covered in solar panels, which solves the issue of solar panels energy output decreasing with heat because then they'd always have built in cooling. No wind? There's still light and some wattage is better than no wattage. Put the turbine blade head on a giant hinge and they can catch rising air from the grounds' radiant heat at night. Free energy is everywhere if you just know where to look and how to take advantage of it.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Wind turbine blades have a lot of surface area that could be covered in solar panels, which solves the issue of solar panels energy output decreasing with heat because then they’d always have built in cooling.

That is a stupid idea. Blade weight is one of the biggest engineering issues for wind turbines.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

It's a great idea but impractical with existing tech.

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