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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 points 36 minutes ago

The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).

They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago

transit

"We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window."

\s

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 18 points 7 hours ago

People can't afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.

This is just tone deaf poor blaming.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Stupid article. You don't need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.

[–] Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it's not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you'd run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.

The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn't have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that's not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it's quite easy to make level 1 work.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc.

No, that number corresponds to the WiFi you need to connect it to, to send all the telemetry and the LLM that will be running on some server in the US, picking data out of your telemetry and deciding which company to sell it to, while your car is powered.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (14 children)

How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?

This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (14 children)

It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware

[–] aword@feddit.online 42 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (9 children)

Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.

Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.

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[–] Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that do the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)

Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.

Blame those greedy corporations, not the technology.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

As a matter of fact, ICE cars were connected to the internet way before the first EV was connected to the internet.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

exactly, data collection is an issue with new cars in general. It's not a reason to buy a new ICE car instead of a new EV.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It is a reason to not buy a new car which means people who aren't buying new cars won't be buying EV's.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 38 minutes ago

You could always pick up a 9-year-old Bolt

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

pretty sure it's the lack of money that's hurting ev adoption.

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[–] calmluck9349@infosec.pub 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's the range and charge times. Especially in the Midwest. I need a car that can take me to Florida in under 16 hours. Also I own a EV

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

The real problem is having to go to Florida so regularly. I feel for ya.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

Money and options are hurting my adaption rate

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