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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 1 hour ago

Most suburbs have plenty of density to support transit as proved in other countries that provide good transit to their areas of similar density. However most suburbs have such bad transit you can't use it for anything and to people start believing the idea that it is impossible to get them good transit and so they won't agree to get it.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).

They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 1 hour ago

No, the problem is the network matters. When you can't get anywhere on transit you don't use it and in turn won't help improve it. I've many times looked at the transit options available to me and found I was unable to get my errand done on transit so I was forced to drive. One place I lived I checked and transit could do the job so I sold my car (but my wife still had hers because there were still many things we couldn't do on transit)

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 6 hours ago

transit

"We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window."

\s

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 21 points 9 hours ago

People can't afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.

This is just tone deaf poor blaming.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Stupid article. You don't need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.

[–] Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it's not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you'd run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.

The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn't have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that's not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it's quite easy to make level 1 work.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc.

No, that number corresponds to the WiFi you need to connect it to, to send all the telemetry and the LLM that will be running on some server in the US, picking data out of your telemetry and deciding which company to sell it to, while your car is powered.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Do you really think that or are you looking for an opportunity to make a statement?

[–] ulterno@programming.dev -3 points 58 minutes ago

to make a statement
Create a certain impression; communicate an idea or mood

Yes. Satire.
I am poking at the current trend of evolution of products.

Of course, cars are not wasting so much of energy on those things just by being turned on... Yet.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (15 children)

It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware

[–] aword@feddit.online 44 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (10 children)

Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.

Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.

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[–] Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (5 children)

As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that do the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)

Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.

Blame those greedy corporations, not the technology.

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[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (15 children)

How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?

This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

pretty sure it's the lack of money that's hurting ev adoption.

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[–] calmluck9349@infosec.pub 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's the range and charge times. Especially in the Midwest. I need a car that can take me to Florida in under 16 hours. Also I own a EV

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

The real problem is having to go to Florida so regularly. I feel for ya.

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