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This has nothing to say about anarchism itself. It just assumes that coercive authority would be required for industrial medicine production and large scale agriculture. Anarchism does not mean a lack of organization, just a lack of coercion and unjust hierarchy.
i mean, i have seen many naive anarchists who think "everyone has a garden" and "hi, my favourite hobby is making paracetamol in my garage!" are substitutes for organized agriculture and medical manufacturing…
mostly on social media. but then again, this is a social media post too.
I don't deny that there's plenty of naive anarchists around. But it's a false conclusion that anarchism itself would be naive because of that.
You can be an anarchist and poke fun at naive interpretations of anarchism. I don't think you have to read "all anarchists are like these hypothetical human pets" into that joke.
You don't have to, but that is absolutely the correct interpretation when 'anarchists' is further qualified only by, 'pet', which only implies ownership. That's even worse than calling anarchism naive. That's implying anarchists are so dumb as to be considered pets.
To be fair, I do have a harem of pet anarchists
Call that a polycule
The vast majority of capitalists believe in the possibility of an ever expanding market on a planet with finite resources.
There have been communist who believed you should plant seeds really close together because they would have plant class solidarity and not compete with each other.
There are anarchists who think chaos is a legitimate form of government.
There are fascist.
It's almost like naive and insane people exist within all political ideologies to different degrees.
The vast majority of capitalists believe in the possibility of an ever expanding market on a planet with finite resources.
actually that's not true. spaceflight is explicitely researched because they understand that you can't have an infinitely growing economy on a finite planet.
I disagree. Space exploration is mostly still done on public sector money, with the goals of national prestige, scientific advancement and as an appeal to the biological human impulse to seek out the unknown. Private endeavors are mostly focused on using space to grow the terrestrial economy (satcom megaconstellations [Even spacex and their starship is primarily being developed to serve this end]) and as investor bait (the loonie space data center rush and every such impractical startup). The noble search to conquer the cosmos is just PR for them.
“Workers own the means of production” is, in fact, anarchist but I can understand freshly-minted anarchists get turned off the idea at first by tankies lol
Tankies think that the state should own the means of production. Sure, they'll then claim that the workers own the state, but in reality it's just owned by the political elite.
Bingo. If your hands aren’t operating the equipment on the daily, you shouldn’t get to (co)own it. Statism bleeding into work life is effectively diet capitalism.
Yeah, I think it's a fallacy to treat hobbies as work, and work as a hobby.
Whether we love it or hate it, work has to be done. It doesn't have to, or should be dreadful, but ultimately it is fundamentally different to a hobby. Completely different mindset too, everyone that has turned they hobby into their main source of income will tell you it just becomes "a job".
Work needs deadlines, planning, discipline, efficiency, communication, accounting, expectations and competition. Hobbies are relaxing and enjoyable precisely because it isn't these.
You can still love your job, but I wanted to convey that despite what many may wish, most people cannot handle, or enjoy, their hobby becoming their job
Industry in an anarchist society will need to heavily rely on organization, professionals, and education preparing the next generation of those professions. It's naive to think that members of a community garden could run a 500 acre farm, or similar.
Absolutely, but it's still pretty funny.
So much misinformation out there, people can't even define it anymore
well the problem is more that there's a whole lot of high-quality crap literature about anarchism out there. so even if people do read up on it, it's confusing.
Whenever we organize a society big enough, it becomes susceptible to culture war and strongman leaders that reorder the society so that it's authoritarian.
Actually teaching kids anarchist values and critical thinking skills might help, but this is why the power-mongers attack education and religious doctrine early on.
We've seen Marxists systems that get pretty big and work for a while, but even they have internal troubles that are resolved with political violence, and are put down by overwhelming foreign invaders (such as the United States invading Grenada).
I'm interested in anarchist theory. I'm just trying to figure out how it's going to resist the consolidation of power, which is has been a problem for every civilization in history up to the present day.
Not gonna lie, this feels disingenuous.
It's just political bait disguised as a "meme".
It doesn't even contain any good discourse about anarchism, just tired tropes of infantilisation.
Eh, why even post this?
Disagree, I think there's something there.
Something about baby anarchists who get the spiritual lessons but stubbornly refuse to engage with the complexity of the world and try to naively derive practices straight from theory which end up laughably ineffective. In contrast, once it truly sinks in how fucked and complicated the world is and how powerless your faction is your political practice starts looking more "normal" ™️, but you harbor no ill will against the enthusiastic baby anarchists and sort of envy their lifestyle.
Might be wrong, can't read OPs mind. But somehow it doesn't feel mean-spirited.
It's using a strawman of anarchism which essentially equates it with anarcho primitivism. Those are two different things for a reason.
equates it with anarcho primitivism
Hey, it specifies solarpunk. The fellas have at least solar panels in there. And they know how to use pharamaceuticals.
I'll grant that gathering medication in the bushes is a little on the nose.
baby anarchists
naively derive practices
laughably ineffective.
doesn’t feel mean-spirited.
🤔
Because anti leftist Propaganda doesnt make itself, you know?
Yeah feels like bait. Post something unfunny, tell people who point out it's not funny that they need to lighten up and learn to take a joke. Momentarily replace feelings of emptiness with feelings of smugness and superiority.
I don't want garden sized what fields I want huge community ones tended by machines made out of ganked parts running open source MCU firmware.
I've really had enough of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, was hoping we could abandon it after the revolution.
I've seen a lot of garden size machines you can build essentially out of rc and 3d printer parts, hook up to a Pi and run open source software to automate things like watering and even weed plucking if you've got pattern recognition and cameras on the machines.
I often wonder how feasible it would be to simply scale it up to a large field. Im absolutely sure it's done now commercially, but I'm thinking more like "it's 5-10 years post collapse and you're scavenging stuff to make it happen in a large field to feed 50 people"
i like how these comments are 1/3 normal comments, 1/3 people who have no idea what anarchy is, and 1/3 people who really care about how it works
more people need to focus the petplay angle here
Was literally sent this by one of my anarchist pets
Even anarchists can desire a guiding hand. Even better when said hand gives headpats!
oh. OH!!!!!
cooing noises!!!!! im gonna remember that one. oooh im gonna remember that one.
i looked it up, what it meant, what it means when an adult says they are doing it. WOW. yes. yes this - this umm...
THIS is it.
thank you for sharing.
I put a mirror in the pen of my libertarian cuz I saw online they'll do funny stuff in front of it but now they're just yelling at it saying stuff like "you're not a REAL libertarian" and "that's not what the non-agression principle is" and I don't know how to make them stop :[
There’s a big difference between American and European species of Libertarian.
Whilst I could never breed American Libertarians I’d struggle to put one down - it’s just a geographic defect after all.
I was about halfway through this before I realized they were talking about anarchists and not arachnids
The thing that makes anarchism work is people wanting to participate in it. As a guy who likes anarchism I just want to care more about strength of character than money or power.
So do libertarians, they just don’t have enough trust to see it in others without some sort of unimpeachable token system to recognize as “proof” of their character.
If you find yourself getting real worked up about tankies or anarchists, then respectfully, go touch some fucking grass. There's real comrades (of a variety of tendencies) out there, fighting against actual (and ascendent) fascism. Your ideological grudges are so fuckin stupid and irrelevant at this point in history. Seriously. Not. Worth. A. Fucking. Mention. Work together when you can, wish them luck when you can't.
I used to say this stuff about needing to come together and all. Then I worked with people who called themselves "comrades" until it became obvious I'd been used by awful people who wanted power and who saw hurting others as an unfortunate necessity or even a perk of the job. Then I started paying attention.
It's not a matter of historical grudges, it's a question of who we're propping into power. Arguably less important than avoiding fascism but still very much worth some discusssion.