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DKIM, DMARC, SPF, rDNS/PTR, EHLO... all correct and verified in the email "original source," BY GOOGLE. Still goes to SPAM folder because **** you, apparently. I hate Google.

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[–] artifex@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I might be out of the loop on how email works, but doesn’t it hop between several other email servers on its way from Alice to Bob (and at least some of it must still be unencrypted)? If so and given google’s scale you could probably just assume that even if they’re not your inbox they’re going to be at least handling many if not most emails along the way.

[–] 69420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

If you control the DNS and the mail server, you get to decide where it goes. However, if any senders or recipients are on gmail, Google basically has all of those emails' content.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That was the theory, nowadays moest email goes from google or microsoft to google or microsoft. At least 99% of the rest goes directly from the senders provider to the recipients provider. Afaik none of the larger providers still accept non-TLS connections.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Probably bad place to ask but.

Self hosting email is complicated only for sending mails or for receiving mail it's also hard?

Depending on what you want to do you might not need to actually send any mail.

Also, the anti-spam rules do also apply if you are answering a mail, I suppose it does as a response envelopement doesn't have any evidence that it's an actual response. But I have no experience self hosting email.

[–] mystik@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Self hosting receiving mail is honestly, pretty straightforward, all things considered. Setup your MX record to point at a server you control, configure software to save messages however you want. Perhaps the most complicated step is wiring up certbot or similar software to get your SSL certificate for your mailserver. A Debian Linux system, apt-get install postfix; apt-get install dovecot will get you nearly 90% of the way there.

Depending on your preference. there are docker containers that can do 100% of the process too, with all sorts of nice bells and whistles. If you don't care about sending email, you can skip DKIM/SPF/DMARC. (though, if you are never sending from your domain, check here: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/dns-records/protect-domains-without-email/ -- there are some entries you can add to DNS to make sure everyone else knows)

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Running your own email server is also a good way to get a ton of headaches from your isp

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I put dog shit in my ass and Google knew five minutes before it happened, filmed it, and sold it back to me as a custom highlight of my home alone shenanigans. I find this a bit egregious, personally.

[–] halezinflames@lemmus.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ngl, I can't blame most for flocking to Gmail. It's a lot more of a pain in the rear to self-host something like that, and it's just plain convenient.

It's the same reason a lot of the people leaving Gmail go to essentially the Privacy Google (Proton) as the replacement.

[–] zorro@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I've started mine and it works fine. All the Google shit goes straight to the bin though.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

My email service provider just marks everything as spam. So they’re not alone, you say?

Irritating how much spam comes from Gmail/microsoft.

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