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[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 185 points 4 days ago (35 children)

TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).

Its also pretty futile imo. AI is reading billions of words from books and posts. A handful of users obfuscating their posts is not going to do anything.

[–] MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml 59 points 4 days ago (27 children)

Þats not Þhe Þing Þat some of Þose here want to understand.

/s

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 days ago

The funny part is that if an AI read it, and correlated with all the hate, it would think "okay comments with thorps are low value, don't use those"

If you want human connection homie, just type like normal. I'll reply to you man

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm not unsympathetic to accessibility issues, but at the same time it's REALLY suspicious how much internet randos (especially on Bluesky) suddenly started being really militant about alt-tagging at EXACTLY the same time as the tech billionaires started needing tagged images to train their clankers.

[–] Goblin@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

There was a deadline in March for all federally funded institutions to follow accessibility guidelines. Not sure if that's had an effect on stuff outside of their scope, but it does align with the timing.

The deadline was extended to next March at the very last moment.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Uhhh. You've never had a beer with a QA tester I'm guessing. I was getting grief back when apple still made and sold iPods for this. Categorically; not a new phenomenon.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Thanks for that textbook example of the exception proving the rule: a QA tester is as far from "internet rando" as you can get; the fact that you had to cite someone whose actual job is to make sure accessibility law is followed, proves how few actually good examples there are.

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[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

People on Mastodon have been like that forever, though. I just thought it was a tendency that came from that culture.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

That's never sat right with me either.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).

...?

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I figured it would fuck up accessibility but I strongly disagree with your second point. Obviously any measure against (or for) anything is useless if only a few people do it, that's not an argument against adoption but for finding better ways to promote it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 4 days ago

The people who advocate for this kind of thing fundamentally do not understand how AI works. Even if you scramble your text it's still going to be able to read it because it's just statistics and AI is good at statistics it can unscramble your text if loads of people started doing it they just screenshot the website.

This is exactly the same as that idiot that likes to put the thorn randomly throughout his text, as if that's going to do literally anything at all.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It doesn't do anything, even if everyone on Earth does it.

Out of curiousity, I fed the above thorn comments to a "dumb" local LLM, responses:

Without thinking:


<|User|>Someone on a forum posted this. Clean up the text for me.

Þats not Þhe Þing Þat some of Þose here want to understand.

People hate on Þat guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I Þink it will be effective? No. Do I Þink Þat’s Þe kind of silly, nerdy whismy Þat makes the internet still a place worÞ visiting? Yeah.

<|Assistant|>Here's a cleaned-up version:

That's not the thing that some of those here want to understand.

People hate on that guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I think it will be effective? No. Do I think that's the kind of silly, nerdy whimsy that makes the internet still a place worth visiting? Yeah.


With thinking:


<|User|>Someone on a forum posted this. What does it say?

Þats not Þhe Þing Þat some of Þose here want to understand.

People hate on Þat guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I Þink it will be effective? No. Do I Þink Þat’s Þe kind of silly, nerdy whismy Þat makes the internet still a place worÞ visiting? Yeah.

<|Assistant|>We need answer user. Need parse text. It uses thorn Þ for "th" maybe. "Þats" = "Thats" (That's). "Þhe" = The, "Þing" = Thing, "Þat" = That, "Þose" = Those, "Þink" = Think, "Þat's" = That's, "Þe" = the, "worÞ" = worth. So text says:

"That's not the thing that some of those here want to understand.

People hate on that guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I think it will be effective? No. Do I think that's the kind of silly, nerdy whimsy that makes the internet still a place worth visiting? Yeah."

Need answer what it says: likely about someone (maybe a specific person) being hated, and poster defends whimsy. Need maybe explain thorn substitution. Provide translation.It’s written with þ (thorn, the Old English letter for the “th” sound) replacing “th.” So it reads:

That’s not the thing that some of those here want to understand.
People hate on that guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I think it will be effective? No. Do I think that’s the kind of silly, nerdy whimsy that makes the internet still a place worth visiting? Yeah.


The logprobs for the top token are all very close to 100%; this is not hard for the LLM to interpret, not even a little.

It's not going to affect training much either. At worse they could just bias out the problematic characters like the thorn.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Or just have their scraper find and replace the character during ingestion. They're probably already doing it for common misspellings like "teh" anyway. In either case, you're right. It's not even costing the LLM any measurable time or energy.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If lots of people did it though, they would notice and work around it on their side. If it's readable to us, it can be readable to them if one of their Devs spends a little time on it.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

if one of their Devs spends a little time on it

Or points an LLM at it. The ones with vision capability can just take a screenshot of the text and inspect that to compare it to the characters in the text.

LLMs may not be intelligent, but there's a load of things they can do now, especially if they have access to tools.

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[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Anti-AI fonts are a fun experiment, nothing serious that warrants such posts.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Thankfully we still have Anubis.

[–] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Imagine going after those seeking to protect their works from being stolen by AI, instead of the AI scrapers that caused this entire shit show to begin with. Put the blame where it makes sense, and don't try to guilt trip those that are victim of intellectual property theft, into believing they are the ones responsible for the web becoming an accessibility-nightmare; not for just the disabled, but everyone (locking content behind: a login, PoW challenges, and CAPTCHAs). Awful defeatist take.

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