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    [–] matelt@feddit.uk 69 points 20 hours ago

    I disagree, their efforts don't go unnoticed. Their recent no-AI claims prompted me to donate.

    [–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 150 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    that doesn't work

    You see, they took the efforts to replicate Microsoft excel experience.

    [–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Excel is the 7th ring of hell

    [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 16 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
    [–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    Satan just asked god to add new layers of hell.

    [–] HuePony@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

    But they got stuck in infinity meetings

    [–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 11 hours ago

    He also asked to remove all the fun emojis because fun is banned in hell.

    [–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 18 hours ago

    they made Teams 2, Satan might not get the note because he uses teams.

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    [–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 49 points 21 hours ago

    To be fair, neither does the real MS office

    [–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 33 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Wow, it managed to perfectly replicate Microsoft office?

    [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    How it looks, not how it works. Very buggy iir.

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    [–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 61 points 23 hours ago

    LibreOffice - the only office suite that handles tables correct, even when multiple users change the document πŸ₯³

    [–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 321 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Which is entirely tragic, because LibreOffice is good, I respect hand coding more than the products of a prompt slot machine.

    [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 205 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    LibreOffice just outright stating their policy of 'no AI' as a feature made me respect them so much more.

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    [–] otter@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

    It's only tragic for a month, after which the other project gets abandoned because its unmaintainable or the vibecoder got bored and moved on to another viral idea

    I'm not going to switch to something unless I know its going to be around when I need it

    [–] 00000@reddthat.com 13 points 16 hours ago

    The person behind all these *craft projects has (or claims to have) made millions from his AI image / video creation services and scam-enabling deepfake voice cloner. The projects are linked to and funded by his commercial endeavors. He's also extremely exuberant about real developers and creators losing their jobs, and suffers from massive AI psychosis. Unfortunately I don't think he or this project is going anywhere.

    I don't think any of it will ever actually work, but he's very good at making outlandish comments and drumming up hype, so we're going to keep hearing about it anyway.

    [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    abandoned because its unmaintainable

    Exactly this. It's hard enough maintaining my own code. It can take a good 15 mins or so to familiarise myself with something I haven't worked on in a short while. Seeing code that isn't mine is very challenging. Not the code itself, but the methods and structures used by the other person. All that has to be done before hunting bugs and adjusting features. Then of course there's the things you don't know about that can be easily missed.

    An AI would need to thoroughly know the code and detailed context on the decisions behind it all, every session, in order to be able to maintain it with vibe, because the vibe coder won't know any of this.

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    [–] brianary@piefed.zip 112 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    For anyone not already aware, there was a push in the early 2000s to require government documents to be in a standard format rather than giving a specific vendor (Microsoft) unfair advantage (official government endorsement). LibreOffice (OpenOffice at the time) used the standardized ODF format, which should've pushed many European governments to switch to an open source office suite. Instead, Microsoft bribed a bunch of people to push through their "OOXML" format as a standard, even though it was just a snapshot of Office's behavior, bugs and all.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100805232754/http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070827111019189

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_standardization

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    [–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 123 points 1 day ago (15 children)

    And Libreoffice is great. I got through grad school using it. I had to look up a lot of the button locations and formulas but not having Onedrive hork up everything made it all worth it.

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    [–] arc99@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

    My experience of using AI is it can save you a LOT of work, but you need to supervise it REALLY closely and give it sufficient code context for it to work properly. It only knows what it knows and if it doesn't know it will make shit up. But if you do use it within its limits it will identify bugs, generate tests, generate a lot of boiler plate and help you be more productive.

    Being open source is not a reason to avoid it. However AI does produce slop and unattended it can produce execrable patches which are practically incoherent to anyone used to human coding patterns. So there should be rules about coding style, patch / merge / pull requests that diffs are self evident, concise and obvious. Most AIs will read a guidance file so this stuff can be defined. And if a person uses AI to generate a patch they should review this patch first before daring anyone else to look at it.

    [–] notabot@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago

    Yes, personally I don't have a huge problem if someone uses an LLM, that's been trained only on opensource code, on a project, but that someone has to put their name to the code, documentation, tests or anything elsr produced, and take full responsibility for it. As in, they suffer the same consequences if it causes an issue as if they'd hand coded it, with particular attention paid to whether the result is maintainable, and whether it breaches any licences.

    Of course, most LLMs have, by now, injested a lot of proprietary code that people have mindlessly sent in queries, rendering all of their output tainted.

    [–] chunes@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    Decompilation projects are getting attention right now because AI models being able to do it is a new thing. Essentially the end of closed source is a huge deal and people haven't realized the implications..

    [–] BlindPenguin@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    They claim it's "clean room", so no decompilation involved. I'm just waiting for the lawsuits to arrive, so we may learn how much of that is true. The big ones probably are already checking the code.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

    I think that could only be really claimed if you know what training data the LLM was trained on. That will only matter if it ends up in court though and no one seems willing to fight that fight at the moment.

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    [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

    Calling decompilation the β€œend of closed-source” is way too hyperbolic.

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    [–] supermeiaman@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Had the same reaction with the Photoshop ai clone when se already have projects like gimp

    [–] paraproto@szmer.info 7 points 18 hours ago

    Exactly. I also think that the problem was never just implementing stuff, the problem is to support the written code. Lately I stumbled upon a phrase "free as in a free puppy" I think those AI clones are exactly this. You will need to support it with AI, because no one else will be able or will be willing for enough time to do anything there. There is no understanding gained from this and if this bubble ever bursts or at least deflate a bit and prices for a token will get real it will no longer be maintainable.

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