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The Trump administration’s ongoing efforts to combine access to the sensitive and personal information of Americans into a single searchable system with the help of shady companies should terrify us – and should inspire us to fight back.

While couched in the benign language of eliminating government “data silos,” this plan runs roughshod over your privacy and security. It’s a throwback to the rightly mocked “Total Information Awareness” plans of the early 2000s that were, at least publicly, stopped after massive outcry from the public and from key members of Congress.

Under this order, ICE is trying to get access to the IRS and Medicaid records of millions of people, and is demanding data from local police. The administration is also making grabs for food stamp data from California and demanding voter registration data from at least nine states.

Much of the plan seems to rely on the data management firm Palantir, formerly based in Palo Alto. It’s telling that the Trump administration would entrust such a sensitive task to a company that has a shaky-at-best record on privacy and human rights.

Bad ideas for spending your taxpayer money never go away – they just hide for a few years and hope no one remembers. But we do. In the early 2000s, when the stated rationale was finding terrorists, the government proposed creating a single all-knowing interface into multiple databases and systems containing information about millions of people. Yet that plan was rightly abandoned after less than three years and millions of wasted taxpayer dollars, because of both privacy concerns and practical problems.

It certainly seems the Trump administration’s intention is to try once again to create a single, all-knowing way to access and use the personal information about everyone in America. Today, of course, the stated focus is on finding violent illegal immigrants and the plan initially only involves data about you held by the government, but the dystopian risks are the same.

Over fifty years ago, after the scandals surrounding Nixon’s “enemies list,” Watergate, and COINTELPRO, in which a President bent on staying in power misused government information to target his political enemies, Congress enacted laws to protect our data privacy. Those laws ensure that data about you collected for one purpose by the government can’t be misused for other purposes or disclosed to other government officials with an actual need. Also, they require the government to carefully secure the data it collects. While not perfect, these laws have served the twin goals of protecting our privacy and data security for many years.

Now the Trump regime is basically ignoring them, and this Congress is doing nothing to stand up for the laws it passed to protect us.

But many of us are pushing back. At the Electronic Frontier Foundation, where I’m executive director, we have sued over DOGE agents grabbing personal data from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, filed an amicus brief in a suit challenging ICE’s grab for taxpayer data, and co-authored another amicus brief challenging ICE’s grab for Medicaid data. We’re not done and we’re not alone.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Release the Trump/Epstein files

[–] XenGi@feddit.org 20 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

There are reasons why it is illegal for the german state to have a central database of all it's citizens. Guess what the US will do with such a thing when they have it..

Become home of the extra free and brave? /s

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

My relatives who’ve been screaming about mark of the beast and shit for years sure confuse the hell Out of me when they voice support for this while wearing their maga hats.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

They want to see the mark of the beast, and the Antichrist, and the apocalypse so the end times will come and Jesus will take them all to heaven and burn their enemies in eternal damnation.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This system will, does, or will one day know your porn preferences.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago

Cat ears and butt stuff. Might as well save them some CPU cycles.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 46 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Holy fuck. All of that will be stolen in 3 seconds and the minute it launches Russia will be granted special access. It was nice knowing ya'll. Not really but. Yeah.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

we will die when they get our socials 🥀

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

You joke but they could open up lines of credit, loans, make big purchases in your name. Of course, all my shit is shot so good luck getting approved with mine. Either way at this scale you could infinitely fuck with Americans in kind of financially devastating ways.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 37 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The libertarian "don't tread on me" wing of the Republican party is hilariously quiet.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 46 minutes ago

The libertarian wing was never really very libertarian, they mostly didn't care much about weed and wanted to actually cut spending (or at least claimed to).

Look at Mike Lee (unfortunately my Senator) he calls himself a "libertarian" because he says no a lot, but he also toes the party line when it natters and hasn't championed any social issues I'd call "libertarian." I changed my registration to Republican just so I could vote against this clown twice in one election.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 25 points 8 hours ago

That's because their motto is "Tread on me harder, daddy" since 2016.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's stupid from a comsec perspective even if it wasn't stupid for any other reasons. Compartmentalization is a good strategy as we continue to upgrade outdated and vulnerable systems. But of course, this "leader" is an idiot. So he wouldn't know that.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 40 minutes ago

Exactly.

I certainly agree with agencies having some amount of open access to their data, but only for things that are actually relevant. For example, the IRS should be able to check Social Security benefits to verify tax reports, but it shouldn't see details like where their checks are being sent.

If an agency needs access to data, they should specify exactly what they need and the source agency should provide an API to only get that into.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 40 points 10 hours ago

Look on the bright side: this way, you don't have to worry about data breach notification letters from all sorts of different companies or agencies since they'll all be coming from the same source. Really saves on letterhead.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

and should inspire us to fight back.

LOL. We won't. US citizens have given up and those that haven't don't believe in anything but peaceful protests or trying to go about things "the right way". Neither of which will do anything but hand over more control to billionaires and child rapists.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

Sounds like you've given up and are ready to roll over for Daddy Fascist. Might as well get yourself a MAGA hat to match.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

We need to start saying they’re adding people who own guns as a table in that database and either get conservatives onboard with stopping it, or more likely just be able to call them hypocrites for one more thing.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Can someone EL5 me on how this is different from our data being stolen under the Patriot Act for the last two decades?

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Palantir creates platforms for data.

This is creating a platform that allows somebody to access every piece of data in one centralized location.

So example, when somebody is determining your social security payment (if that even exists in the future) they(or more likely AI) might be basing that decision not just on data relevant to income but also on something like a personal social credit score based on every piece of available government data related to a person over their entire lifetime.

Did you get flagged as suspicious while flying bc of 9/11. Did something end up on your record by complete mistake? In this centralized data base you could have all kinds of real and incorrect details associated with you (or even other people like friends, family, neighbors, coworkers) used to discriminate against you. Data becomes destiny.

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

[–] teft@piefed.social 7 points 7 hours ago

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

Also remember that facial recognition has trouble with minority faces so if you get put on that list because some algorithm thought you were someone else you're fucked.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 8 hours ago

As far as I can tell, the NSA data was into a dataset that allowed report software to run against it. It was also largely metadata, and it didn't assign a person to the metadata.

Meaning it wasn't an "enter a name" or "enter social security number.

This sounds like a dataset built for each person. Now how that's going to work is a different question. Cops can already pull you over, and once they have your license plate, they can see if you've got warrants or outstanding fines, and various legal history.

Palantir's data sounds like an efficient way to cause mass amounts of identity theft.