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The Trump administration’s ongoing efforts to combine access to the sensitive and personal information of Americans into a single searchable system with the help of shady companies should terrify us – and should inspire us to fight back.

While couched in the benign language of eliminating government “data silos,” this plan runs roughshod over your privacy and security. It’s a throwback to the rightly mocked “Total Information Awareness” plans of the early 2000s that were, at least publicly, stopped after massive outcry from the public and from key members of Congress.

Under this order, ICE is trying to get access to the IRS and Medicaid records of millions of people, and is demanding data from local police. The administration is also making grabs for food stamp data from California and demanding voter registration data from at least nine states.

Much of the plan seems to rely on the data management firm Palantir, formerly based in Palo Alto. It’s telling that the Trump administration would entrust such a sensitive task to a company that has a shaky-at-best record on privacy and human rights.

Bad ideas for spending your taxpayer money never go away – they just hide for a few years and hope no one remembers. But we do. In the early 2000s, when the stated rationale was finding terrorists, the government proposed creating a single all-knowing interface into multiple databases and systems containing information about millions of people. Yet that plan was rightly abandoned after less than three years and millions of wasted taxpayer dollars, because of both privacy concerns and practical problems.

It certainly seems the Trump administration’s intention is to try once again to create a single, all-knowing way to access and use the personal information about everyone in America. Today, of course, the stated focus is on finding violent illegal immigrants and the plan initially only involves data about you held by the government, but the dystopian risks are the same.

Over fifty years ago, after the scandals surrounding Nixon’s “enemies list,” Watergate, and COINTELPRO, in which a President bent on staying in power misused government information to target his political enemies, Congress enacted laws to protect our data privacy. Those laws ensure that data about you collected for one purpose by the government can’t be misused for other purposes or disclosed to other government officials with an actual need. Also, they require the government to carefully secure the data it collects. While not perfect, these laws have served the twin goals of protecting our privacy and data security for many years.

Now the Trump regime is basically ignoring them, and this Congress is doing nothing to stand up for the laws it passed to protect us.

But many of us are pushing back. At the Electronic Frontier Foundation, where I’m executive director, we have sued over DOGE agents grabbing personal data from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, filed an amicus brief in a suit challenging ICE’s grab for taxpayer data, and co-authored another amicus brief challenging ICE’s grab for Medicaid data. We’re not done and we’re not alone.

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 2 points 6 minutes ago

PLEASE check out any privacy community on Lemmy, PrivacyGuides.org, or ugh....even /r/Privacy

Saying "I have nothing to hide" does nothing but empower the surveillance state. You are living in a surveillance state and advertising tracking data is how you are tracked.

privacy@lemmy.world privacy@lemmy.ml privacy@lemmy.ca privacy@lemmy.ca

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 32 minutes ago

The party that used to flip their shit at the very idea of a federal database.

[–] goreddityourself@lemmy.wtf 1 points 48 minutes ago

That was the whole point of DOGE. Access to the main servers of every government department, not "efficiency". If this data is combined with data from social media, it's possible to make quite detailed profiles of people.
Let's not forget Peter Thiel and the Mercers have been doing this since Brexit.
Also scary that Palantir got a big contract for the NATO.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

They for sure won't get hold of any notes about medical conditions (or god forbid, notes from your therapist) and use them against you if you opposed them.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

Release the Trump/Epstein files

[–] XenGi@feddit.org 32 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There are reasons why it is illegal for the german state to have a central database of all it's citizens. Guess what the US will do with such a thing when they have it..

Become home of the extra free and brave? /s

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 29 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My relatives who’ve been screaming about mark of the beast and shit for years sure confuse the hell Out of me when they voice support for this while wearing their maga hats.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

They want to see the mark of the beast, and the Antichrist, and the apocalypse so the end times will come and Jesus will take them all to heaven and burn their enemies in eternal damnation.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 25 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

This system will, does, or will one day know your porn preferences.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Just that one video over and over for me.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Cat ears and butt stuff. Might as well save them some CPU cycles.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

I’s about to start confessing just to get it over with. Chubby Brunette Milfs for me. Oh & butt stuff too!

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 56 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Holy fuck. All of that will be stolen in 3 seconds and the minute it launches Russia will be granted special access. It was nice knowing ya'll. Not really but. Yeah.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

we will die when they get our socials 🥀

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You joke but they could open up lines of credit, loans, make big purchases in your name. Of course, all my shit is shot so good luck getting approved with mine. Either way at this scale you could infinitely fuck with Americans in kind of financially devastating ways.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

ok we don't like that, I was not thinking about the larger picture etc

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 41 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The libertarian "don't tread on me" wing of the Republican party is hilariously quiet.

The libertarian wing was never really very libertarian, they mostly didn't care much about weed and wanted to actually cut spending (or at least claimed to).

Look at Mike Lee (unfortunately my Senator) he calls himself a "libertarian" because he says no a lot, but he also toes the party line when it natters and hasn't championed any social issues I'd call "libertarian." I changed my registration to Republican just so I could vote against this clown twice in one election.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 28 points 14 hours ago

That's because their motto is "Tread on me harder, daddy" since 2016.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 43 points 16 hours ago

Look on the bright side: this way, you don't have to worry about data breach notification letters from all sorts of different companies or agencies since they'll all be coming from the same source. Really saves on letterhead.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's stupid from a comsec perspective even if it wasn't stupid for any other reasons. Compartmentalization is a good strategy as we continue to upgrade outdated and vulnerable systems. But of course, this "leader" is an idiot. So he wouldn't know that.

Exactly.

I certainly agree with agencies having some amount of open access to their data, but only for things that are actually relevant. For example, the IRS should be able to check Social Security benefits to verify tax reports, but it shouldn't see details like where their checks are being sent.

If an agency needs access to data, they should specify exactly what they need and the source agency should provide an API to only get that into.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

and should inspire us to fight back.

LOL. We won't. US citizens have given up and those that haven't don't believe in anything but peaceful protests or trying to go about things "the right way". Neither of which will do anything but hand over more control to billionaires and child rapists.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like you've given up and are ready to roll over for Daddy Fascist. Might as well get yourself a MAGA hat to match.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I've given up because I have tried rallying people and nobody wants to rally.

Everyone just wants to peacefully protest, which I disagree with.

Everyone wants to just wait until midterms, which is too late.

Nobody, dems included, have any balls. It's over.

What the fuck have you done?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Can someone EL5 me on how this is different from our data being stolen under the Patriot Act for the last two decades?

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Palantir creates platforms for data.

This is creating a platform that allows somebody to access every piece of data in one centralized location.

So example, when somebody is determining your social security payment (if that even exists in the future) they(or more likely AI) might be basing that decision not just on data relevant to income but also on something like a personal social credit score based on every piece of available government data related to a person over their entire lifetime.

Did you get flagged as suspicious while flying bc of 9/11. Did something end up on your record by complete mistake? In this centralized data base you could have all kinds of real and incorrect details associated with you (or even other people like friends, family, neighbors, coworkers) used to discriminate against you. Data becomes destiny.

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

[–] teft@piefed.social 7 points 13 hours ago

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

Also remember that facial recognition has trouble with minority faces so if you get put on that list because some algorithm thought you were someone else you're fucked.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 13 hours ago

As far as I can tell, the NSA data was into a dataset that allowed report software to run against it. It was also largely metadata, and it didn't assign a person to the metadata.

Meaning it wasn't an "enter a name" or "enter social security number.

This sounds like a dataset built for each person. Now how that's going to work is a different question. Cops can already pull you over, and once they have your license plate, they can see if you've got warrants or outstanding fines, and various legal history.

Palantir's data sounds like an efficient way to cause mass amounts of identity theft.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

We need to start saying they’re adding people who own guns as a table in that database and either get conservatives onboard with stopping it, or more likely just be able to call them hypocrites for one more thing.