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If you graduated before they implemented this or aren’t American, the system they started to use to teach kids how to read is called three cuing. They teach kids to identify unknown words by guessing based on clues in pictures with the sentences, what word would ‘make sense’, and whether the answer they came up with looks right based on the first letter.

As you may have noticed, none of that is reading a word. These are strategies that borderline illiterate people will use to try to understand words, and for decades it’s been the method used by many schools across the country.

So that person you’re arguing with online who keeps going off on bizarre rants barely related to anything you said might not be a troll, they might just be functionally illiterate due to having never been taught to read. Yaaay!

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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 points 15 minutes ago

Always remember when discussing with US citizens:

Only 13% of the population is proficient in each of these three areas—able to compare viewpoints in two editorials; interpret a table about blood pressure, age, and physical activity; or compute and compare the cost per ounce of food items.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy -> second to last paragraph of the first part.

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 hour ago

i lived in california from ages 4-8 and we did phonics basically every grade level.

i moved to florida about 3/4 through 3rd grade and that was when i learned about educational standards at the ripe old age of 8 when everyone in my new third grade class read at a first grade level and even my teacher didn't seem to know what she was doing.

i have a formative memory from my first day. i asked the kid next to me when recess is, and his response was, "what's recess?"

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

What's the alternative?? Just telling them?

[–] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

That is...concerning.

I kinda like to play with writing systems, like Avatarian (Script made for Avatar Legend of Aang and Seven Havens), where each glyph is mapped onto a sound in US English IPA rather than just redesigning glyphs in the Latin Alphabet and I sometimes wonder if it would've been better if we had this system (with glyphs for "ch" and "Ll" of course).

Now reading that I think it might be a better system.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

(with glyphs for “ch” and “Ll” of course)

INB4 that user who insists on using thorn characters shows up to fight the good fight.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Here's the comment I made last time this idea popped up in a thread:

Even if we were to adopt something like the Shavian alphabet, it would only work for a few generations at most until sound change and dialect divergence built up enough to once again strongly divorce spelling from pronunciation. Not to mention the fact that it's impossible to come up with a phonetic* alphabet that accounts in a useful way for dialect differences, even just in American English.

This has already happened with hangul, probably the paradebeispiel for successful intentionally designed phonetic systems: spellings that were once phonetic (though, again, in only certain dialects) have now become conventional due to sound change.

So, in addition to the dialect problem, you'd end up having to either completely replace the alphabet again every hundred or so years, or you'd be right back where we currently are. Plus, interventions into the spelling system will a) make older publications harder to read without mass-translating them all into the new systems every few decades which b) will create reading difficulties for the generations that end up having to switch with each new update.

Not to mention the fact that spelling things the way we currently do preserves etymological information (though imperfectly) about the words in question.

That isn't to say our current system is perfect, but rather that any such system is arbitrary, and will eventually become conventionalized either way without active, persistent intervention that comes with its own significant downsides.

*Used here in the lay sense, not the linguistic sense

[–] azalea_flower@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 hours ago

(I did make another comment but I was being a little silly)

It's pretty insane to me that they don't teach phonics, since that's very important to actually reading a word, especially aloud. In my original comment I was ignoring that reading included determining the meaning of a word, but I was conflating reading with only reading aloud or simply identifying a word.

Three cueing can be important to reading and would probably help out on the spot, but is something I (and I assume many others) picked up naturally anyway from just reading a lot. I don't expect it to be taught in school instead of phonics, and it should not replace just looking up a word in the dictionary. This just seems absolutely absurd to me.

[–] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 44 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I’m thankful every day for my kid’s Montessori school. 5 years old and I’m already to the point where we read together every night for fun, but I’m not really needed. Sometimes I see the reading light on after bedtime, but I let it slip. 🥹

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 hours ago

good parent ☺️

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[–] moth@anarchist.nexus 1 points 1 hour ago

moth has younglings, and they definitely were taught to sound out words that can be. some words cannot be sounded out, those are called sight words. moth supposes that this isn't something that's nationwide.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

Parents are both overworked and lazy here in the States, are you surprised our education is faltering? This is by conservative design, the schools are defunded, teachers underpaid, schools are understaffed, under supplied and corrupt. The conservatives want the poor to be their new slaves, and the conservatives need them dumb enough to keep voting for them until the conservatives take that away too.

We're a powder keg waiting to explode while being manipulated and having access to all kinds of guns, at some point things are going to explode, or we'll just boil like the frog.

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[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 hours ago

Sadly, the generation was lost to the war on drugs. We were overzealous and refused to let them even get Hooked on Phonics.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 6 points 2 hours ago

Three cuing is aggravating, but once I stopped trying to impose the way I learned on my kid when we were doing homework she figured it out. Also just getting her shit she is actually interested in reading did more than anything else. Not sure how to feel about it, trying not to yell at clouds.

[–] dumples@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you are interested APM did a whole podcast about this. I haven't listened but I hear it's great.

https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I knew the kids couldn’t read because I have multiple English teachers in my family, but until I listened to season 1 of that podcast (working through season 2 now) I had no idea it was from them not even being taught the basics of how to read! One guy they interviewed who learned to read fluently as an adult was basically like ‘when I learned I was like, that’s all you do? Why the fuck didn’t anyone teach me this?’

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The counterargument is that English is uniquely bad for phonetical spelling.

Never make fun of someone who says a word strangely. They may have only ever read it.

I’m not sure that phonics is the underlying reason American people don’t learn to read. I think there’s deep complex reasons for that.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 35 minutes ago

There's some truth to that, but it's also important that phonics lay down the foundation for reading, and let young readers identify the complexities behind the rules, and then internalize the meta-rules governing which rules apply where.

It's frustrating that tough doesn't rhyme with though or through or bough (or that none of those others rhyme with each other). Or that many homographs aren't homophones, to where you need to rely on context to know which pronunciation or meaning applies to words like "read," "lead," or "unionized."

Still, how else are you gonna do it? Lay down the basics, then layer on some exceptions that generally come in as loanwords (entree) or proper nouns (Xi Jinping), but always building on a foundation where new words can be encountered and pronounced. We can read and pronounce newly invented words easily, whether it's slang like "mogging" or fanciful corporate trademarks like "Reddit." We can deal with the exceptions as they come up.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago

blowing in the wind.

wind the clock.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

My mother was a learning disabilities teacher consultant and hated 3 cuing. Most students sent to her once it started were fine when taught not that way.

[–] moonshadow@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I genuinely believe that this and the 'common core' math stuff are intentional measures to dumb down a population. Not really sure what to do about it though

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

Common core math is how high performers in math tend to already approach math concepts. The controversial examples focused on "number sense" do instill good habits and instincts for error correction (especially important in the age of calculators and computers), and don't detract from the importance of the actual mathematical operations. Either way, common core math curriculum as a whole is good, and continues to be a good set of goals for learning math. I'm somewhat sympathetic to the argument that the math standards are too high and leave some kids behind, but that's less a problem with the standard and more a problem with our ability to get kids up to that perfectly reasonable standard, of what we should hope that all adults should know.

The main criticisms of common core that I sympathize with are that they deemphasize the humanities too much, but that's not exactly a problem with the math standards themselves.

[–] moonshadow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 29 minutes ago

My only real exposure is helping friends kids with their homework, and it really seemed like they were focused way more on shortcuts to correct answers for simple problems than how and why numbers interact. Which I guess is kinda what you're saying! Imo those are great techniques for working at a higher level, but in no way a substitute for observing and understanding the processes that lead to those answers. You'll get plenty of competent accountants that way, but you won't inspire many mathematicians.

[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I learn new words by searching for the definition. Is that not a thing anymore? You don't have to go find a dictionary anymore. You can literally pull out your phone and type: "define xxx". I really hate our education system.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, this is worse than that: it’s not just about their vocabulary being stunted, it’s that they can’t even recognize words they know because they don’t know how to sound out a word. Grim stuff.

[–] X@piefed.world 9 points 3 hours ago

Oh fuck me, that is grim. No way to know what that which you’re looking at means. That’s fucking terrifying! “Huh. The bottle’s got some tall, red letter words and exclamation points. I bet it means that this shit’s gonna taste awesome!”

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

I'm in my mid 40's and American, and I was taught to figure out word meanings from context clues back in elementary school. This isn't a new thing.

[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This isn’t about deriving meaning necessarily, but recognizing what word a word is. Take the example statement “the technique is ubiquitous across the nation.”

What you’re describing is using context clues to determine that ‘ubiquitous’ is an adjective to describe the technique and maybe that it has to do with how much it exists across the nation.

The technique described above is a counterpart to phonics. If you had never seen the word ‘ubiquitous’ before you could still phonetically parse out yoo(maybe “uh”)-bih-qui-tuss. With three-cueing, if ‘ubiquitous’ is a brand new word for you, you might pronounce it ‘all’ because that’s the word you already know that might make sense in that sentence. My understanding is that you’re not recognizing that those are two distinct but similar words, you’re just trained to guess at what the sentence is trying to say.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 hours ago

If you were taught how to sound out words you weren’t taught the way a lot of kids are taught to read today. Being able to read the whole sentence and guessing based on context already puts you significantly ahead of kids who have been taught with the three cueing method.

[–] rosahaj@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The technique isn't the issue, rather it's the fact that American kids are taught to use context before they're taught to differentiate the words from one another, apparently.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 hours ago

Yeah context clues are super important, but they're not a replacement for phonics

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[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

I taught both my kids to read the way I learned to read, with phonics, they’re in their early 20s now but grew up as excellent readers

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