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(I did make another comment but I was being a little silly)

It's pretty insane to me that they don't teach phonics, since that's very important to actually reading a word, especially aloud. In my original comment I was ignoring that reading included determining the meaning of a word, but I was conflating reading with only reading aloud or simply identifying a word.

Three cueing can be important to reading and would probably help out on the spot, but is something I (and I assume many others) picked up naturally anyway from just reading a lot. I don't expect it to be taught in school instead of phonics, and it should not replace just looking up a word in the dictionary. This just seems absolutely absurd to me.

If you are interested APM did a whole podcast about this. I haven't listened but I hear it's great.

https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

I’m thankful every day for my kid’s Montessori school. 5 years old and I’m already to the point where we read together every night for fun, but I’m not really needed. Sometimes I see the reading light on after bedtime, but I let it slip. 🥹

Parents are both overworked and lazy here in the States, are you surprised our education is faltering? This is by conservative design, the schools are defunded, teachers underpaid, schools are understaffed, under supplied and corrupt. The conservatives want the poor to be their new slaves, and the conservatives need them dumb enough to keep voting for them until the conservatives take that away too.

We're a powder keg waiting to explode while being manipulated and having access to all kinds of guns, at some point things are going to explode, or we'll just boil like the frog.

I taught both my kids to read the way I learned to read, with phonics, they’re in their early 20d now but grew up as excellent readers

My mother was a learning disabilities teacher consultant and hated 3 cuing. Most students sent to her once it started were fine when taught not that way.

Three cuing is aggravating, but once I stopped trying to impose the way I learned on my kid when we were doing homework she figured it out. Also just getting her shit she is actually interested in reading did more than anything else. Not sure how to feel about it, trying not to yell at clouds.

The counterargument is that English is uniquely bad for phonetical spelling.

Never make fun of someone who says a word strangely. They may have only ever read it.

I’m not sure that phonics is the underlying reason American people don’t learn to read. I think there’s deep complex reasons for that.

Sadly, the generation was lost to the war on drugs. We were overzealous and refused to let them even get Hooked on Phonics.

I genuinely believe that this and the 'common core' math stuff are intentional measures to dumb down a population. Not really sure what to do about it though

I'm in my mid 40's and American, and I was taught to figure out word meanings from context clues back in elementary school. This isn't a new thing.

I learn new words by searching for the definition. Is that not a thing anymore? You don't have to go find a dictionary anymore. You can literally pull out your phone and type: "define xxx". I really hate our education system.

And yet, the people who chose to make that change were taught to sound aloud, so really it's anyones game as to whichever outcome's better :P

Three cuing, or at least something like it which I cannot be bothered to check the term for is a valid reading technique, the difference being that it requires a certain degree of reading skill beforehand.

Certainly, you've learned a few words off the page, or television purely through context, and that's essentially 'three cuing'. Issue is, it's not an effective introduction to literacy, as it skips the foundational skills to reading. It was introduced based off studies of adult literacy, I believe.

But it worked for AI with BERT, so it will work for kids, right?!

/s

I know phonics has issues but at least it creates an internal framework to figure things out. No idea how this new system works, but phonics doesn’t preclude contextual reasoning and it’s tried and true for ages.

How do more symbolic writing languages work? Like Chinese characters where there’s just a huge variety of characters vs English’s Latin alphabet.

Wait, this is a real thing? I was handing in a marketing copy and one of my us colleagues mentioned that I was using fairly complicated language that most Americans won't understand. Is that the reason? I thought I had used normal level English that everyone who has learned it as a second language would understand. It never occurred to me that native speakers would have issues? Not in a business context at least?

Must be regional, because my 13, 9, and 5 year olds all sounded/are sounding out words in public school 🤷‍♂️

tbh i dont really remember being taught how to read as a kid, other than i really struggled with lower case l vs capital I because they look exactly the fucking same half the time and autism. anyway i was taught to sound out words but i dont think it really made that much of a difference for me, other than giving me a mediocre ability to say words correctly after only reading them. the biggest thing was having things i was motivated to read. wanting to know wtf the words meant got me to look them up and wanting to know what happens next in the stories i was reading kept me going. the actual being taught how to read part of learning to read is such a tiny part. i think a much bigger issue is the structure of kid prison systematically beating the curiosity out of people.

Congrats on learning how ⅔ of the Turtle Islanders operate day-to-day.
Now you're aware why we insult them with rainbows of derogatories without being ableist about it.
To this day, they are also rank illiterate too.
My wife’s generation was the last to teach civics in junior high, so yes, zoomers & alphies are politically illiterate as well.😔