StonksDiff13

I recommend you find some greater value with your time than these wasteful insults. It's clear you're only seeking dopamine from the fake rush you get criticizing strangers from the safety of your anonymity. There's better things like sports or socializing you could be doing.

This is not a logical or reasonable comparison at all. The point is about having a culturally relevant person interested in the topics that allow us to bring relevant perspectives to the table. It's much better as an example than say... a podcast like Joe Rogan and his buddies discussing war tactics.

Feel free to read through more of my comments. We truly did come to some mutual ground and will probably continue to work on it. Also 14 hours to read several research papers and respond in kind is crazy bro. I have a job and a life lol

How foolish to debate which mass murderer is better.

Both systems suck.

No, but it's a good way to curb capitalism's negative impacts. The US postal service is great scale. Medicare is another. Taxing the rich and expanding social programs is the correct way to evolve capitalism. Proven by how Reagan and Bush (sr and jr) and Trump have tried to disrupt successful programs with the intent of privatizing.

So, I looked it up. You're right. NATO countries are pillaging Africa in a way I never knew about. The index score is a good thing still, I think. But the source of that score should be considered.

Does anywhere exist with a high score that is ethically sourced?

I know China does the same thing in Africa. So they're out...

Regarding that comment about white people. The US is far more diverse than any super power. The only close comparison is Canada which is more diverse, but not a real super power.

The combined population of NATO is nearing 1 billion and it's much more diverse than China or Russia or any other "communist" or "socialist" state.

Anyways, I'm not saying NATO is good thing or bad thing. I don't truly know. But I know the US style of capitalism appears to bleed into NATO is shit. And China's "socialism" is shit too.

Sorry, I thought you or someone else had said the UN report confided it wasn't genocide. So I went and found the UN report to point out what it did say. If that wasn't you, I apologize. There are a lot of parallel conversations going on.

But still, wouldn't the UN collective organization have more credibility than the individual accused nation when claiming their side of things?

"The man accused of says he didn't do it. The group of investigators determined it was voluntary manslaughter.."

Since you want to discuss the details of the report and China's response, I will look into both. Please hold.

New Zealand has tons of socialist influence and has had many many socialist political organizations influencing their politics for decades.

I know they are not socialist, but it's am example of a free market economy with that necessary socialist influence. (Although, I think they are starting to crumble since their economy is so attached to foreign nations, it's pretty unfortunate)

I will say the only way for the people to truly control anything is for them to have a vote on each decision. If they are not voting on the media, they do not control it. It would be amazing if ownership of your government and economy included actual decision making on the individual - collective level.

A small group of leaders can't relate to their people's interests on an individual level in a way that perfectly executes their will. It's impossible.

Holyy shit that's a lot of reading. I got through a lot of it so far and honestly, I'm reaching a point where I don't think I'm smart enough to have any real commentary. I will say the sources are pretty questionable. One of the sites you listed has a .cn address so it's directly controlled by the Chinese government lol. Medium and YouTube and a website claiming to be an independent journalist..

This is probably a conversation for another time, but what if we've entered a period where no information I have or you have is plain fact? It's increasingly likely. We could be both horribly wrong with no other way to prove anything except what is happening with the 5ft circle around us. It makes sense if most media available is controlled by two opposed governments trying to influence their people a certain way that neither have good intel.

It makes sense to me that a country attempting to unify itself in terms of language, economy, politics, etc. would be harsh and even persecute minority religions. It has happened everywhere in history. But it also makes sense the US would deploy destabilizing propaganda and assets into all foreign nations.

Anyways, I'm fine admitting this is beyond my paygrade as a socio-economic and political enthusiast.

I'll concede on the idea that neither of us were there and both of us believe our sources are correct.

I don't disagree that the US is blood soaked. It's sickening to think many people work so hard every day to support their healthcare-less lives only for their taxes to go towards the interest of the debt the government builds killing children.

This however, has nothing to do with Chinese socialism vs US capitalism.

China and the US are practically dependent on each other economically. China is the one that allows some if the worst working conditions of any super power on earth. All in the name of "the greater good." People throwing themselves from the roof just to escape it. Hope much microplastic is generated from China's manufacturing plants? Doesn't China lead the planet in pollution?

China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases** – and by some considerable distance: the country is responsible for 90 per cent of the growth in CO2 emissions since 2015. Today, its share of total emissions is [32 per cent], far ahead of the US (13 per cent), India (8 per cent) and the EU at 6 per cent.

https://energytransition.org/2026/03/china-the-worlds-checkered-trailblazer-in-climate-protection/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Today%2C+its+share+of+total%2Cto+Belinda+Sch%C3%A4pe+of+CRECA.

Lastly, don't misunderstand. I'm sure the US is better than China in things like pollution, while China commits less global genocide (if any).

The reason I don't think it's a talking point isn't to diminish those facts. It's because my argument is still: both systems suck!!!! We the people of earth deserve better than what either of these governments have been producing. And those changes can happen now if we all work together. Chinese people and Americans, hand in hand to overthrow these bullshit con artists.