daveyOsborn

It would have to ship overseas and would not want anything with an IME or PSP anyway. Shipping alone would exceed what I would pay at my local street markets.

I appreciate all your insights. I was originally open to any of the 15h chips but your feedback has me thinking I should really be more narrowly focused on Steamroller-based chips. Which is not ideal because I think steamroller is dicey as there are contradicting claims about whether steamroller chips have a PSP.

I appreciate the insight!

Though it’s bad news indeed because I could really benefit from having SSE4.1 instructions which Bulldozer introduced. I need to do offline language translations which generally means using Argos Translate which depends on SSE4. So I wonder if I have some cognitive dissonance coming since I might like to get something Llano-based as you suggest. But then I would have to accept not using it for translation. Maybe I should do that and perhaps dedicate another machine to translation.

OTOH, piledriver and steamroller succeeded bulldozer. Are they much better w.r.t heat? (edit) Actually i’m confused because it seems Richland is based on piledriver, which is the bulldozer successor IIUC.

Of course, all this is predicated on the listing I found being correct, which I now can’t verify.

It’s possibly dicey anyway. Even if one 17-f048nb has AMD, another of the same model could have intel, considering how HP models often seem diversely spec’d with a range of processors.

Under the “time is money” mindset, if you strongly suspect it has what you’re looking for, how much time are you willing to invest before deciding?

To quote RMS (who was quoting someone else): “time ain’t money when all you have is time”.

I need some certainty on the CPU; not just on this particular one but to generally be able to know the CPU of anything I look at. If you open an HP manual for an arbitrary laptop, it lists ~4+ possible intel CPUs and ~4+ possible AMDs. So it’s like a coin toss AFAICT. A 50% chance is not good enough. I already have an unreasonable number of laptops and cannot tolerate expanding that with anything useless.

And good luck getting anything out of Trump’s FCC. I’m afraid you’re likely just going to have to decide uninformed.

I’ve never done a FOIA request but read that they are not gratis. Since it’s compensated maybe it would be one of the few things Trump’s FCC would be willing to do.

Seller basically quoted the cost of 2 big macs. I might offer ½ that considering the display is apparently 17″. I would still feel stung if it were a brick (coupled w/potentially having nothing to salvage from it like RAM or HDD). But it’s a regular seller at this market so there is a slight chance of doing a sympathy return (though strictly speaking it’s an as-is txn).

I mean… Just get it from old storefronts. Its right on the headers in Google results.

I would certainly be curious what result you got that from specifically.

I never search Google directly. I use a Google-fed searx instance which came up dry. If I were to use Google directly, it would not be the same results you get as Google is highly personalized. So I just tried the one (and only) Google syndicate: startpage.com, which gives a non-personalized but pure Google result to try to get neutralized rankings (the best approximation to what others would get). And only got two pages of nothing useful.

It appears to use an A10-5750M CPU and integrated graphics

HP pavilion 17-f048nb does not show up on that page, so I assume that link is just to show the CPU specs. Richland is indeed what I would be interested in generally.

The graphics architecture is circa 2010, pre GCN, so not well supported.

I appreciate the tip. I did not know what GCN was so you’ve got me thinking I should look for a Richland chip that has it. I suppose that should be possible because GCN emerged Jan.2012.

The CPU is not fast, idles hot, and is notoriously inefficient. And it is an HP Pavilion.

It’s probably fast enough for me considering I’m currently satisfied with a 2008 thinkpad. Idles hot concerns me for sure since I am not doing much heavy lifting.

A TDP of 35W seems about average for quad core richland, but I would of course prefer to find one of the TDP 17 or 19W richland quads.

This is not generally an option in my case. I go to a street market where stuff is dirt cheap because it’s untested and has risk. Sometimes there is someone at the market who will rent their power generator for a buck to test something, but most laptops do not have their power supply. So I would have to be equipped with the correct PSU (and the universals don’t usually do 19.5v which is what many HP’s are, plus HP has some lock-in tech that forces a PSU to be HP). Some don’t even have the RAM and thus would not boot even if I had a Knoppix drive.

I’m signing up for some risk. But what I don’t want is the risk that the CPU is not even what I am after. It’s central to my buying decision so I need to know early before wasting time and money.

Worth noting that we ~~know~~ think/suspect from this page that Elitebooks and Probooks possibly indicate AMD or Intel in the 3rd digit of their model number. And it seems likely because some Lenovos also use a 0 or 5 to make the same designation in their model numbers. But this is apprently useless for HP Pavilions AFAICT.

It would be nice to force HP to talk. I wonder if a FOIA request could be used somehow, perhaps targetted at the FCC who licenses the radios in a laptop and thus may have some info on the specs.

Oh I didn’t think of that. It’s native French speakers who use “mail” for “email” (when speaking english).

Interesting to see his take on “e-mail” vs “email”. I bet he changes his tune on “email” vs “mail” -- where gen-z has decided that it’s okay to save keystrokes by dropping the “e” because no one uses snail mail anymore. Indeed I am always disguested when someone says “send a mail”. I have to ask for clarification and they always confirm that mean email.

AT&T is the worst of the worst. And I boycott them for countless reasons like snooping on their own customers voluntarily without a warrant. It’s really a hard-right corp. In any case, never tried them so I didn’t know they blocked egress 25.

One trick that works if truth-in-advertising laws are in force: ask the sales people before subscribing if the block port 25. They always say “no, we block nothing” (in my experience). So you subscribe and sign the contract. Then when you see they actually block 25, you have a false advertising situation and also a contract violation (if either verbal contracts are enforcable or if you can get it in writing that nothing is blocked). So you complain. In my experience, they give a gratis upgrade to an enterprise level of service that generally has a static IP and no blocks -- for the price of the residential plan you signed up for.

I can’t speak for @ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip, but I boycott both Google and Microsoft. This means 95+% of prospective people, corps, and gov agencies I would exchange email with are not getting email from me. They are also not getting an email address out of me.

I have been done with email for nearly a decade now, mostly. So, to answer your question, I use fax and snail mail. Not joking. I feel liberated and don’t give a shit about postage or inconvenience. There is still that exceptional 5% or so who I will exchange email with, which does not have GAFAM in the loop.

(edit) should add that I give friends and family an XMPP address (of my own, but often I also give them an XMPP acct for themselves). Google bounced from XMPP a decade or so ago and AFAIK Microsoft has no XMPP service. So it’s mostly snail mail and fax for govs and corps. XMPP for people.

Any friends or family who resist XMPP are mostly stuffed. They can either proxy through a mutual friend or call me if they are local.

Maybe the way to fight GMail’s outsized power is to stop using GMail.

Stopping your own gmail use is trivially easy. It just scratches the surface. In order to not lick Google’s boots, you also need to stop sending email to gmail users. That means doing an MX lookup before emailing to see if their vanity email address is on a Gmail host. And of course this also means not sharing an email address with gmail users.

I do that, in fact. I also boycott Microsoft. In the end, this means I am not using email much at all.

They claim its for spam prevention which is why most ISPs actually also block outgoing SMTP port 25.

European ISPs block egress port 25, not American ones, generally. Not sure about the rest of the world.

In Europe, one refuge is to send using the GSM networks, which tend not to block egress 25 for some reason.