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[–] kabe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it is. Vorbis is the actual codec.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

If we're talking free tier Spotify, then it could actually be due to the bitrate (96kbps OGG vorbis, IIRC). However, if you're a premium subscriber then the standard bitrate is 160kbps, which is definitely not audible to 99.99% of people.

In fact, after much ABX testing, I found that a noticeable audible difference between a local file and the same song on a streaming service is almost always due to either a loudness differential or because the two tracks come from different masters.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I do the same, as it happens, so I won't argue with you.

As for "why care?", I'd say it's about making informed decisions and not spending money unnecessarily in the pursuit of genuinely better sound quality.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The thing is, dynamic range compression and audio file compression are two entirely separate things. People often conflate the two by thinking that going from wav or flac to a lossy file format like mp3 or m4a means the track becomes more compressed dynamically, but that's not the case at all. Essentially, an mp3 and a flac version of the same track will have the same dynamic range.

And yes, while audible artifacts can be a thing with very low bitrate lossy compression, once you get to128kbps with a modern lossy codec it becomes pretty much impossible to hear in a blind test. Hell, even 96kbps opus is pretty much audibly perfect for the vast majority of listeners.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Oh, 100%. I actually tested this by recording bit perfect copies from different streaming services and comparing them using Audacity.

I found that they only way to hear a difference between the same song played on two different platforms was 1) if there was a notable difference in gain or 2) if they were using two different masters for the same song. If two platforms were using the same master version, they were impossible to tell apart in an ABX test.

All of this is to say that the quality of the mastering is orders of magnitude more important than whether or not a track is lossy or lossless, as far as audible audio quality goes.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (31 children)

These days I mostly see the placebo audio arguments in streaming service and FLAC/lossless encode fanboys.

The clamour for lossless/high-res streaming is the audiophile community in a nutshell. Literally paying more money so your brain can trick you into thinking it sounds better.

Like many hobbies, it's mainly a way to rationalize spending ever increasing amounts on new equipment and source content. I was into the whole scene for a while, but once I had discovered what components in the audio chain actually improve sound quality and which don't, I called it quits.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's still a good idea to have your main music library in flac for future proofing, but yeah 128kbps opus or ogg is what I use on mobile devices.