lalo

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[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 hours ago

Can you expand a bit more on being a personal choice? Would you say an action is a personal choice even if there's a victim involved?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think it really depends on what these “human-similes” actually are.

Would there be a difference if they were an alien species or a species related to us but not Homo sapiens, when either woud still feel and have a will to live?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Ok, now let's equalize the trait that justifies the difference in treatment between cows and these beings: passing a turing test.

Say these human-similes are mentally handicapped and have the intellect equivalent of a cow. Would you now verdit as guilty someone who artificially inseminated one of them without consent?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Tomorrow we discover there's an amount of (what we thought were) human population that is not really human. There's a vote and all countries decide to classify them as non-human animals, not part of our society anymore and now standard to farm them as food. Woud you classify artificially inseminating this human-simile without consent as rape?

If yes, what's the difference between this human-simile and cows that grants considering one being raped and not the other?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago (7 children)

So artificially inseminating your property without consent is rape when it's a human, but not when it's a cow. What's the difference between a cow and a human that grants this?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Specification is not needed, even you assumed these were retail costs from the get-go,

they only compared retail costs

on the next sentence you conflated retail costs with consumer cost

they didn’t account for people

which of course they didn't, retail costs will be the same even if the person getting the items isn't paying for them.

When someone says "this is 30% cheaper now", any reasonable person would understand that they're referring to the retail cost, not the consumer cost unless otherwise specified. Like "this is 30% cheaper on my food stamps".

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (9 children)

Just to make a bit more clear:

If someone was accused of enslaving and raping a woman and you were in the jury, the defense says "it's not rape, it's artificial insemination of my property".

You would verdit them as guilty of enslaving, but not rape because artificial insemination of his property is not rape. Did I get it right?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Retail costs are still costs and plant based diets are globally around 30% cheaper than other diets. Where did I specify consumer (or any other particular) cost in my claim? Do you actually think the government giving free food means the food is cost free as well? Do you think self-sufficient people will affect the measure of the cost of food?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 6 hours ago (11 children)

So the only thing stopping you from raping your own slaves would be that you think owning humans is wrong. Otherwise you would be ok with raping your own slaves, is that correct?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago (13 children)

If owning humans were ok, nothing else would be stopping you from going into your slaves?

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 7 hours ago

An act being natural or unnatural is not a reason to say that action is good or bad. I think we all agree unecessarily harming a sentient being is bad though.

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

How is it too narrow? They have considered data from more than 150 countries.

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