politics
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:

- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
view the rest of the comments
Idk if voting harder is the best strategy when the opponent wants to steal an election.
Edit: Since most discussion still focuses on voting, here are some ideas you could do instead / additionally:
Vote hard enough that they legitimately lose, so that the correct course of action is more justified
It already is, of course, but a large majority needs to agree
How can we be sure this isn’t setting up for another 2000 Bush v Gore? Except, you know… on purpose?
At least it can be contested then. It will get more support from people. If they're going to rig it (hack machines, miscount votes), nothing can be done. But if they're just trying to weasel they're way into disenfranchising people, they can be beaten with turnout - and all the republican redistricting (gerrymandering) efforts have razor thin margins, lots of opportunities to flip seats and districts in elections leading up to the big one.
Its the only strategy really.
The bigger the tilt against republicans the harder it is to steal.
This is barely even a strategy. It's the "take no action" approach. It's easy, but definitely won't accomplish very much.
A far better approach would be to organize a leftist January 6 or similar. Get as many people organized and armed as possible.
Jan 6 didn’t work for Trump and they had most of the police on their side.
Organizing a leftist one is suicide.
Jan 6 came dangerously close to succeeding and was the most disorganized mess of incompetent morons imaginable. Get half a dozen transgender hackers in charge of communications and a few hundred antifa supersoldiers to the capitol, they will do the needful.
It's not the only strategy.
Its the only viable strategy.
What part of “vote in rigged election” is a “viable” strategy?
1964, Presidential Election (LBJ vs Goldwater):
Johnson won 61% of the popular vote. Even if there had been a concerted effort to rig the election against Johnson, it would have had to be so widespread and obvious that it would have been either stopped immediately, or it would have resulted in a new civil war. Getting that many people voting the right way should be the goal; make the margin of victory so wide as to be impossible to overcome via subtle chicanery.
If they still try to steal the election in those circumstances, then there will be violence, which is the only other option for changing government, so we might as well try having the election before the violence.
TLDR:
There have already been extremely obvious attempts to steal US elections. The guy in charge right now tried to lead one. Some were even successful. People weren't rioting in the street or overthrowing the government when Bush got handed the election by the supreme court, and that's a much more recent precedent that refers to a successful steal, rather than a failed one.
Did anyone who tried to rig this one election 80 years ago face consequences? Were any measures taken by those in power to prevent another attempt?
2000 Presidential Election:
Popular vote: 50,456,002 (Bush) / 50,999,897 (Gore)
Bush won because the margin was so narrow. He lost the popular vote but eked out an electoral college win because of Florida.
Per Wikipedia:
Nader took 97,488 votes. If less than one percent of Nader voters had gone for Gore, Gore would have won the state, and who knows what timeline we'd be living in now.
Elections can be stolen when the margin is that narrow. When the margin is wide, it's impossible to steal.
John Hancock has entered the chat.
It's a good starting point. The more people vote, the more people will be angry if the result is stolen.
Apathy is the worst threat against democracy. Especially when one part is cheating.