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[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 146 points 2 days ago (8 children)

So long as there's a proper primary I don't see the harm in this, not really. I can't see her running a good enough campaign to make it through the primaries, at least not without also having a good enough campaign to beat the fascist party after Trump.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 139 points 2 days ago (58 children)

the key here is “proper primary.” I can’t remember a time when they’ve had one that wasn’t fucked up in some way.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Three words: Hillary Rodham Clinton

It sure looked like Bernie was gonna kick her butt until the DNC decided they didn’t like a Democratic Socialist possibly winning. Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned for a reason.

I don’t trust the primaries to be fair. There is too much money and power at stake to let “the people” actually decide the candidates. To me it’s the major reason everyone says both parties are the same. It’s because both candidates are picked by the same people, at least at this level. Yes I know they aren’t the same, especially now. But have you ever noticed how feckless the Democratic leadership seems to be? It’s because the billionaires are really the ones in power.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If there’s a form of Ranked Choice Voting in the primaries, such as STAR Voting or Ranked Robin, then the DNC will have a much more difficult time pulling shenanigans.

First Past the Post voting in the primaries favors moderates and extremists, but an issue with moderates is that they don’t excite voters with big life changing policies. So no one, except people already bought into preventing the worst option, show up to vote in the general elections. Which makes it harder for everyone.

More states need to get forms of Ranked Choice Voting implemented, specifically STAR or Ranked Robin voting if we want to see more progressive wins.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If there’s a form of Ranked Choice Voting in the primaries, such as STAR Voting or Ranked Robin, then the DNC will have a much more difficult time pulling shenanigans.

Shame the fascist GOP is making RCV illegal wherever they can.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is why several states are banning ranked choice voting...

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Notably all red states as well. There’s other voting systems I’d suggest but I believe it’s worth waiting till they can’t ban them first.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just to terrify you a little bit. In the 2020 election, Harris and Biden only had one candidate that regularly polled worse than they did, which was a culty Tulsi. And if you remember, out of that large field, Biden won.

The DNC has a gigantically fat thumb on the scales.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

Remember when the media decided that Biden winning the south Carolina primary was basically a coronation.

[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

If the dnc had proper primaries we would have had Bernie.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

The only purpose of the staggered primary is for them to slowly manufacture your consent for who they want. The only way we're going to get an honest primary is if the entire country did it on one day like we do the general

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

a regular primary with enough debates, and where superdelegates are shun till the end, should be bare minimum

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

How about just no super delegates and the people decide.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

How about a primary where superdelegates get no more/better votes than anyone else?

What am I thinking? That might result in someone who isn't on the corporate teat!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why would the Democratic Party operate like that when it risks allowing a Bernie-style candidate to go all the way to the general?

They're going to crowd the field with slop candidates, like Tulsi Gabbard and Liz Warren and Beto were in '20, then consolidate the rest of the field around whatever neolib shithead demonstrates a significant popular appeal. The roadmap was laid out in '76 and repeated in every open primary since then.

Keeping populists like Jesse Jackson and Paul Wellstone and Bernie Sanders out of the top ticket slot is absolutely a feature, not a bug.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

All delegates need to go. The electoral college and all the historical reasoning behind it are no longer valid.

If you want a more fair election, ranked choice, with weighted votes like a Borda system. Borda is good at finding broadly acceptable compromise candidates because it rewards strong second- and third-place support instead of only first-place votes. It’s good at finding better consensus candidates but even this can be gamed by deliberately ranking strong candidates last. No system is perfect, but there are lots better options than what we are currently using.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

So long as there’s a proper primary

Hahahaha. Good one. That'll totally happen.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If there is a primary hopefully she will perform the public service of prompting the others to distance themselves from Bidens handling of Gaza