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It’s … wild because this is part of the roots of the Jewish people being chased from their lands.
In a world where folks accepted other peoples gods but revered their own … the monotheistic Abrahamic religions fucked all that up.
A bunch of Europeans calling themselves Israelites has about as much weight as a bunch of Europeans calling themselves Aryans.
Have you ever heard of this social experiment that was done a long time ago.?
A teacher in 1968, following days after MLK was murdered, decided to teach kids about racism. It ended up becoming a famous experiment about how people who are discriminated against will often do the same back to others. And that we are all equally capable of being taught to discriminate even when we ourselves have faced discrimination and know what it's like.
Here is the premise. (All kids were white, I believe)
The teacher told the students that blue eye color students were smarter than brown eye color students because the pigment in brown eyes was related to lower intelligence.
Here is the rest copied from Wikipedia
"Initially, there was resistance among the students in the minority group to the idea that blue-eyed children were better than brown-eyed children. To counter this, Elliott led the children to believe the false premise that melanin was linked to their higher intelligence and learning ability. Shortly thereafter, the initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed "superior" became arrogant, bossy, and otherwise unpleasant to their "inferior" classmates. Their grades on simple tests improved, and they completed mathematical and reading tasks that had seemed outside their ability before. The "inferior" classmates also transformed – into timid and subservient children who scored more poorly on tests, and even during recess isolated themselves, including those who had previously been dominant in the class. These children's academic performance suffered, even with tasks that had been simple before.[10]
The next Monday, Elliott reversed the exercise, making the brown-eyed children superior. While the brown-eyed children did taunt the blue-eyed children in ways similar to what had occurred the previous day, Elliott reports it was much less intense. To reflect on the experience, she asked the children to write down what they had learned.[6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott
Here is an in-depth article by PBS on it. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/introduction-2/
Here is a documentary about it , also made by PBS. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcCLm_LwpE
It's a fascinating experiment into human behavior and self reflection. And how superiority complex changes performance and personality.
I was surprised to learn Jane Elliott is still alive. MLK's assassination really wasn't as long ago as they want you to believe.
Black slavery really wasn't that long ago either.
1863
163 years.
That's roughly only 2 lifetimes ago.
Two.
But yeah segregation was 50 years. People are alive today that weren't allowed to use the same toilets as whites or share drinking fountains. Restaurants wouldn't serve them.
Sundown towns. Lynchings.
The latter is still occurring.
The problem with believing in gods is that you think you are right. That makes other people wrong. And so it begins...
That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.
Boy, you should really look into how they're handing their Muslim population. Though, yes, much like the Israel situation, the Brits really fucked that region up.
Why would you believe anything if you were going to believe you were wrong?
And that's why you shouldn't.
believing you are right is requisite to belief. acknowledgement that you might be wrong, in the existence of doubt, that's maturity but it does not preclude the belief that you are right.
Yeah, and that's why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won't admit they're wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.
I honestly don't even think I get your position here. Do you somehow not believe that you live in some kind of objective reality together with the rest of us? Do you think this is all just going on in your head? Like... is this some kind of far-out simulation theory thing? Even if we do live in a simulation, that simulation itself must exist in some kind of "real world".
Please explain
Your perceptions are influenced by your beliefs, and your beliefs are influenced by your culture. So if someone can buy control of our cultural media, they can control reality for the general population. And that's exactly what they've been doing. The owning class have literally constrained our ability to imagine and perceive a fair and just world. For example, they spent centuries silencing queer people, and as a result, most people became literally incapable of perceiving a nonbinary person. When they looked at someone like Me, they would see a man or a woman instead. Their foundational perception was and is distorted.
For a revolution against the owning class to be successful, we need not just to destroy the state apparati of physical control, but also of mental control. We need to destroy the belief in a capitalist cisheteropatriarchal reality. https://soulism.net/
That doesn't even remotely answer my question though? My impression was that you have some kind of belief that an objective reality doesn't exist in the first place, and that just doesn't make any kind of sense to me.
The belief in an objective reality is a prerequisite to the owning class's control of reality. People let the media tell them what to believe, because they want to believe in objective reality. They don't want to actively participate in creating their own subjective world.
And that's exactly why the belief in an objective reality is a dangerous and corrupting technology. We shouldn't leave such a powerful tool for control lying around where evil people can get their hands on it. We need to raise the next generation believing that the universe is subjective in nature, armed with the knowledge of all the horrible atrocities that realists have committed throughout history. The crusades. The slave trade. The stolen generations. The holocaust. All motivated by the belief in an objective reality, with objective reasons to oppress the weak. Realism is an evil technology.
What you're saying makes no sense... you drawing an equivalence from the existence of an objective reality to some people controlling how that reality is perceived. If anything, you gotten it all flipped around: If reality is subjective (which itself is absurd) then any interpretation of it is equally valid. In that case, anyone is free to believe in their own reality, regardless of the objective facts that prove them wrong. This is basically what's going on with the MAGA movement: A bunch of people deciding that "reality is what I want it to be", and acting based on "alternative facts" in complete disregard for the objective, observable, facts around them.
The MAGA people are realists. They believe that they are thinking and acting in alignment with objective reality. You and I can think they're wrong, but that doesn't mean they aren't realists. When it comes to the question of objective reality, they're on your side, not Mine. They don't think their perceptions are subjective. They don't think gender and race are social constructs. They don't take responsibility for their perceptions like I do.
You're making the mistake of conflating being wrong with being a subjectivist. Have a serious think, you believe they think gender is a subjective social construct? Not a chance!
Whether they think that has nothing to do with whether they believe there's an objective answer to the question. What they do, however, is take positions that are in blatant violation of the observable facts around them. The whole "alternative facts" this is basically an exercise in "taking responsibility for your perceptions", and choosing to believe whatever you think is right, regardless of the objective reality around you.
You have a point, and I'll admit that rich conservatives give their followers propaganda that defies their beliefs about objective reality. If we're talking about alternative facts, then yes, that's the rich not caring about the truth. That's the rich... using magic. Changing people's beliefs to alter the subjective world their followers live in. Yes, the rich and the corrupt politicians are not realists.
And we can't beat them if we give up the powerful weapon that is magic. They're using magic, we should use magic too. Magic is a technology that can be used for good or evil, but when it's used to enforce an idea of objective reality, that's when it becomes evil. The rich DO NOT WANT their followers taking responsibility for their own perceptions. They want their followers perceiving whatever their rulers tell them! We need to break their magic by freeing the poor conservatives from their realist programming, so the working class can control our subjective world.
Citation needed
Sure, why not? Here, https://multiverse.soulism.net/post/67924/comment/535398. This Lemmy user said if you believe in gods, you think you're right and others are wrong, and that leads to a dogmatic mindset. Now, reality obviously has all the same qualities as a god in this context, so although I don't personally believe religion leads to dogma, I'm happy to cite you at yourself and ask that you take your own advice and believe in no absolute truth.
That's not true. I believe in gods and I'm n antirealist. I think everything is subjective and we should kill the idea of one objective reality.
If you can believe that, then you can believe anything, and you're one good conversation away from being manipulated and used.
I sure can believe anything, I can believe whatever I want. I take choice, agency, and responsibility over My worldview. While realists take no agency and no accountability, they take no active part in shaping their perceptual world. I choose My perception based on My moral compass, but realists can be manipulated into believing anything.
A realists accountability is to reproducibility and observability.
But if you can believe anything, and that makes you happy, then good. I personally believe red is green and drive how I like. Sure I've killed a few people, but that's in reality so I don't believe it.
Wow, you made short work of that strawman! Problem is, this thread is old and we're deep in a thread, so nobody else is reading this. There are only two people listening to this conversation. Now, obviously a strawman fallacy won't persuade Me, so I must conclude that you were using that strawman for your own satisfaction, to feel like you've won the argument in your own mind, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Which is pretty hypocritical, given you were just making fun of that sort of behaviour.