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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

True of more than just the US, but for some number on the US:

The Department of Agriculture has spent almost $50 billion in subsidies for livestock operators since 1995, according to an EWG analysis.

By contrast, since 2018 the USDA has spent less than $30 million to support plant-based and other alternative proteins that may produce fewer greenhouse gases and may require less land than livestock.

https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2022/02/usda-livestock-subsidies-near-50-billion-ewg-analysis-finds

For some global figures

Almost 90% of the $540bn in global subsidies given to farmers every year are “harmful”, a startling UN report has found

[…]

The biggest sources of greenhouse gas emissions, such as beef and milk, received the biggest subsidies, the report said. These are often produced by large industrialised groups that are best placed to gain access to subsidies.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/14/global-farm-subsidies-damage-people-planet-un-climate-crisis-nature-inequality

It is worth also mentioning that despite these heavy subsidy differences, whole-food plant-based diets still end up generally being cheaper overall in most developed countries, unlike what you might think

It found that in high-income countries:

• Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.

• Vegetarian diets were a close second.

• Flexitarian diets with low amounts of meat and dairy reduced costs by 14%.

• By contrast, pescatarian diets increased costs by up to 2%.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study

Based on primary data (n = 1040) collected through an online survey, representative of the Portuguese population, through logistic regressions, it was possible to conclude that plant-based consumers, particularly vegan, are associated with lower food expenditures compared to omnivorous consumers. In fact, plant-based consumers are shown to spend less than all other consumers assessed

https://agrifoodecon.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40100-022-00224-9

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

i'm suspicious of your last three claims. the first and third one uncritically cite poore-nemecek 2018, which indicates they either don't understand the issues with that methodology, or they don't care (since it makes their "research" sound more impactful). the oxford study i have read in full, and it only addresses retail costs of food, making no mention of people who receive subsidized food, free food from poverty programs, or people who raise their own food, or hunt or trap or fish for it. basically, it excludes anyone who is actually poor.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Great research. Great links. On top of what you said, eating veg has so many advantages. I don't know why people can't see its inherent virtues. It's cheaper. It's healthier. You typically get that fiber you need. You typically get more food for fewer calories if you're wanting to lose weight. It's better for the environment.

It doesn't have to be complicated to taste great. You can just cook up some asparagus spears on the stove top with some salt and oil, and most people will be happy, at least for that sort of meal once in a while. And almost anybody can cook that. Or who doesn't like a baked sweet potato or some nice boiled corn? All simple shit.

And you don't have to become a vegan to make a difference in your own life. Just starting by replacing one meat meal a week with a healthy vegetarian option is a big step in the right direction.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

There's even some communities on here with some good recipes and such too

!veganhomecooks@lemmy.world

!veganrecipes@sh.itjust.works